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Mar 26 2013 04:50pm
Quote (Black487 @ Mar 26 2013 05:48pm)
(This won't convince the nutters, but I find aviation and meteorology neat)

Contrail.  Short for Condensation Trail. 

There are two kinds I'm aware of, wingtip vortices and regular exhaust trails.

What happens when you take a icy cold drink, and leave it outside on a hot and humid day?  It develops condensation (as if by magic).  The icy beverage drops the surrounding air temperature to the dew point (point of saturation, where water turns from a gas to a liquid and becomes visible). 

http://www.koat.com/image/view/-/7242678/medRes/2/-/maxh/480/maxw/640/-/sbyn7z/-/bottles-of-beer-with-condensation.jpg

Contrails are kind-of similar in that they too produce condensation.  In Wing Vortices, air rolls off of the wings due to their shape, lift, etc and enter into a fast swirling motion like so:

http://i.imgur.com/yg4w53j.gif

In the center of the swirl (the part that looks like the eye) air pressure drops.  When pressure drops, temperature also drops (sometimes beyond the dew point).  Just like a cold bottle of beer dropping the air temperature and producing condensation, the cold core of the vortices can also produce visible condensation.  Like so:

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121227140328/warthunder/images/f/f6/Wingtip_vortices.png

Since clean air is invisible to the eye, we can't really see the vortices without using some kind of way to dirty up the air (smoke, fog, clouds etc).  You can youtube demonstrations of this.  But we can occasionally see the condensation trails they produce. 



The other kind of contrail is through engine exhaust.  The two main products expelled by the engine are CO2 and water vapor. 

Anything above 24,000 feet will always freeze... and voila!


Nah brah, all this makes too much sense. You are blind and it has to be chem trails.

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Mar 26 2013 04:55pm
Quote (Aisu_aS @ Mar 26 2013 06:50pm)
Nah brah, all this makes too much sense. You are blind and it has to be chem trails.


That's how it goes I'm afraid ^_^ :P
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Mar 26 2013 04:58pm
Classic unfalsifiable conspiracy bullshit. Any evidence that "chemtrails" aren't real is just taken by the true believers as being part of the conspiracy; making it a tautology.

I think Widow put it best:


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Mar 26 2013 07:54pm
...there is a dif between con trails and chem trails..one does not effect the color of the whole sky and the other 1 can turn it a milky white...no other proof needed no other test needed people can see the truth ....wait I mean some people not all apparently...Now keep calling me a coco nut case you sad people
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Mar 26 2013 08:56pm
Quote (doomchaser @ Mar 26 2013 09:54pm)
...there is a dif between con trails and chem trails..one does not effect the color of the whole sky and the other 1 can turn it a milky white...no other proof needed no other test needed people can see the truth ....wait I mean some people not all apparently...Now keep calling me a coco nut case you sad people


We have red contrails for precisely the same reason that we have red clouds... particularly near twilight.

What is more likely? That there is a global conspiracy happening in front of 7 billion witnesses every day or that there is some natural phenomenon with atmospheric processes which you don't aren't aware of?

You would literally have to dupe every scientist, university, aviator, skeptic. Worst of all, these things are all easily testable and provable yet here we are.
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Mar 26 2013 10:01pm
Quote (Black487 @ Mar 26 2013 07:56pm)
We have red contrails for precisely the same reason that we have red clouds... particularly near twilight.

What is more likely? That there is a global conspiracy happening in front of 7 billion witnesses every day or that there is some natural phenomenon with atmospheric processes which you don't aren't aware of?

You would literally have to dupe every scientist, university, aviator, skeptic. Worst of all, these things are all easily testable and provable yet here we are.


listen young kid believe it or not the sky used to be blue not a milky white lmao if you think con trails can do this then yes you can argue about it i believe there is more then just con trails and I ask why chemicals there is a number of reason I for one like to think it is for savving us from the heat...some want to believe they want to kill us with it...Those like you just keep their eyes shut
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Mar 26 2013 10:03pm
ITT: We learn that the sky is no longer blue.

Those poor kids in kindergarten are going to have trouble with their colouring exercises.

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Quote (doomchaser @ Mar 26 2013 11:01pm)
listen young kid believe it or not the sky used to be blue not a milky white lmao  if you think con trails can do this  then yes you can argue about it i believe there is more then just con trails and I ask why chemicals there is a number of reason I for one like to think it is for savving us from the heat...some want to believe they want to kill us with it...Those like you just keep their eyes shut


Vouch, this is legit.
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Mar 27 2013 01:54am
Quote (doomchaser @ Mar 26 2013 06:54pm)
...there is a dif between con trails and chem trails..one does not effect the color of the whole sky and the other 1 can turn it a milky white...no other proof needed no other test needed people can see the truth ....

And there is the tautology I previously mentioned. The true conspiracy nut needs no to evidence to confirm the conspiracy exists, and no amount of evidence can ever convince them it does not. A tautology.
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Mar 27 2013 07:37am
Quote (doomchaser @ Mar 27 2013 12:01am)
listen young kid


In the off-chance you are older than I am, unless you have any formal training in aviation or meteorology then it's utterly immaterial to our conversation.

:rolleyes:

Quote (doomchaser @ Mar 27 2013 12:01am)
believe it or not the sky used to be blue not a milky white lmao  if you think con trails can do this  then yes you can argue about it i believe there is more then just con trails and I ask why chemicals there is a number of reason I for one like to think it is for savving us from the heat...some want to believe they want to kill us with it...Those like you just keep their eyes shut


Please demonstrate this to us. How is the sky no longer blue? Or are you slow?
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