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Aug 7 2012 08:15am
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Oh, so if I punch a pregnant woman in the stomach it's a miscarriage and not an abortion?


It would be assault. The rest depends what state you're in.

But seriously it would result in a miscarriage if the baby died. Unless the mother asked you to punch her expressly to kill the zygote/fetus/clump/baby.

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It would be assault.  The rest depends what state you're in.


Ok, so how different is that from God willing a woman to have a miscarriage? If he wills it then it's no longer a miscarriage, it's an abortion.

Miscarriages don't happen on purpose.

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Ok, so how different is that from God willing a woman to have a miscarriage? If he wills it then it's no longer a miscarriage, it's an abortion.


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Aug 7 2012 08:18am
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Oh, so if I punch a pregnant woman in the stomach it's a miscarriage and not an abortion?


I would call that murder.
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Aug 7 2012 08:19am
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Ok, so how different is that from God willing a woman to have a miscarriage? If he wills it then it's no longer a miscarriage, it's an abortion.

Miscarriages don't happen on purpose.


If a supernatural being uses magical power to make a woman miscarry it isn't her taking actions to extinguish the life of the child. Abortion is the deliberate termination of a pregnancy by surgical or medical means. It doesn't include magical or supernatural third party forces.

/e brb, taking a final real fast, wrapping up summer term. Twelve credit hours done in six weeks :thumbsup:

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If a supernatural being uses magical power to make a woman miscarry it isn't her taking actions to extinguish the life of the child.  Abortion is the deliberate termination of a pregnancy by surgical or medical means.  It doesn't include magical or supernatural forces.


Abortion isn't just by the woman. It can be done by another person. An abortion, by definition, is killing the baby on purpose, be it the woman or a man causing it.

That last sentence is a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow that it's not an abortion because it was performed by a supernatural force. You should learn how to troll better. Perhaps you can pay thundercock or inkanddagger for lessons.
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Aug 7 2012 08:27am
a·bor·tion/əˈbôrSHən/
Noun:

The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.
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Abortion isn't just by the woman. It can be done by another person.  An abortion, by definition, is killing the baby on purpose, be it the woman or a man causing it.

That last sentence is a non-sequitur. It doesn't follow that it's not an abortion because it was performed by a supernatural force. You should learn how to troll better. Perhaps you can pay thundercock or inkanddagger for lessons.


It is only a non-sequitor because there are no supernatural or third party sources.

If leading ethicist can't find abortion in the Bible you shouldn't beat yourself up for not finding it yourself.

And I don't want trolling lessons, it is hard to find one good post out of twenty for ink and tcock has been getting better lately but I think GC got to him. Too much time at 20%. <3 tcock though.

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It is only a non-sequitor because there are no supernatural or third party sources.

If leading ethicist can't find abortion in the Bible you shouldn't beat yourself up for not finding it yourself.

And I don't want trolling lessons, it is hard to find one good post out of twenty for ink and tcock has been getting better lately but I think GC got to him.  Too much time at 20%.  <3 tcock though.


No, it's a non-sequitur because anything or anyone that terminates a pregnancy deliberately is causing an abortion. I don't care if God is the arbitrater of what good or bad is, that has nothing to do with this, it is simply that one cannot logically change the definition.

Appeal to authority.
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