Quote (AEtheric @ May 18 2012 12:36am)

Sure, and look at how many blacks voted for Obama.

Quote (ArcticShadow @ May 17 2012 05:51pm)

Wow.  That's your second article in a row that does nothing to scientifically back your argument.

The policy statement by the AAA was a complete joke.

I guess you can keep denying over a century of IQ testing that have yielded unanimous results...

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J. P. Rushton and A. R. Jensen (2005) ignore or misinterpret most of the evidence of greatest relevance to the question of heritability of the Black–White IQ gap. A dispassionate reading of the evidence on the association of IQ with degree of European ancestry for members of Black populations, convergence of Black and White IQ in recent years, alterability of Black IQ by intervention programs, and adoption studies lend no support to a hereditarian interpretation of the Black–White IQ gap. On the contrary, the evidence most relevant to the question indicates that the genetic contribution to the Black–White IQ gap is nil.

One of the most serious misrepresentations in Rushton and Jensen’s (2005) article is their claim that the current difference in IQ between Blacks and Whites is slightly more than 15 points, or 1 standard deviation.

A second misrepresentation by Rushton and Jensen (2005) flows from their statement that the Head Start program leads only to immediate and not to long-term gains. Because no other early childhood intervention programs are mentioned, the implication is that such programs are not effective over the long run. But in fact, more ambitious interventions produce very significant gains that last as long as until age 15, the oldest age tested to this point to my knowledge (S. L. Ramey & Ramey, 1999).

Most important, Rushton and Jensen (2005) ignore or misrepresent a large literature dealing with the most direct sort of evidence, which relates to the influence of European ancestry on Black intelligence. U.S. “Black” populations contain as much as 30% European genes. This means that an individual who is identified as Black could have anywhere from 100% African ancestry to mostly European ancestry (true of as much as 15% of some U.S “Black” subpopulations; Herskovits, 1930). This allows us to identify the extent to which percentage African ancestry, variously assessed, is associated with IQ. Five different types of studies allow for an estimation of the effect of relatively African versus relatively European genes on IQ. I report these below in increasing order of what I take to be their probativeness.

Quote (AEtheric @ 17 May 2012 17:36)

Sure, and look at how many blacks voted for Obama.

Quote (Santara @ May 17 2012 05:01pm)

Unanimous? I'm sorry. Here's a direct refutation of your paper: http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Nisbett-commentary-on-30years.pdf

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ May 17 2012 05:02pm)

Compare that to how many blacks vote for white Democrats.

Quote (AEtheric @ 17 May 2012 18:04)

He stated all of these misrepresentations but never actually corrected them. For instance, the 15 point IQ gap is never corrected or even disputed.

Quote (AEtheric @ 17 May 2012 18:04)

Which has great relevance considering we are talking about the election of Obama and how many blacks voted for him during that election.

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ May 17 2012 05:06pm)

The best evidence we have indicates that that value is out of date and that the Black–White IQ gap has lessened considerably in recent decades (Grissmer, 1994; Grissmer, Flanagan, & Williamson, 1998; Grissmer, Williamson, Kirby, & Berends, 1998; Hedges & Nowell, 1998; Nisbett, 1995, 1998).

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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ May 17 2012 05:06pm)

The best evidence we have indicates that that value is out of date and that the Black–White IQ gap has lessened considerably in recent decades (Grissmer, 1994; Grissmer, Flanagan, & Williamson, 1998; Grissmer, Williamson, Kirby, & Berends, 1998; Hedges & Nowell, 1998; Nisbett, 1995, 1998).

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Yes, it does, because it's being used as an example of black people agreeing with other black people when there is virtually no change between the black vote for Obama and any other Democratic presidential candidate.

Quote (AEtheric @ 17 May 2012 18:11)

Nonsense, look up the surveys and you'll see that an overwhelming amount of blacks voted for Obama over any white candidate during that election.

Quote (AEtheric @ 17 May 2012 18:09)

We do not have actual IQ scores available to
establish this point but rather various ability tests, most of which are highly
correlated with IQ—some as high as .8 to .9. Though IQ scores would be
preferable to speak directly to the question of IQ change, such data are unavailable
in the form of a national random sample. In contrast, several probability samples
of U.S. elementary and high school students are available. These include, over the
period 1965–1994, the Equality of Educational Opportunity (EEO) survey, the
National Longitudinal Study, the High School and Beyond survey, the National
Education Longitudinal Study, and the National Assessment of Educational
Progress program (NAEP).

Note how they're not using g-loaded IQ tests for their results but rather educational surveys that test knowledge, such as FCAT and all that garbage.  I don't see any real refutation but more hand-waving.  I don't think even the panel that reviewed the Bell Curve disputed the 1 standard deviation in the IQ gap.