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Apr 23 2012 11:48pm
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How can you achieve anything if you don't have any goal? I think you,re just playing with words there.


Because you are under the wrong impression? How can you ''need'' an illusion? How can you ''need'' an illusion, when there are people who live as examples of those who need no purpose in life. They are very fascinating individuals, and hard to find. : )
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Apr 23 2012 11:53pm
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Because you are under the wrong impression? How can you ''need'' an illusion? How can you ''need'' an illusion, when there are people who live as examples of those who need no purpose in life. They are very fascinating individuals, and hard to find. : )


Like I was saying before. The illusion is not the goal itself but the expectations.

We know that a goal can be achieve or not. It is not an illusion but a speculation on the futur.

It's not bad to have goals, the problem is the sideeffects of having a certain level of expectation creating satisfaction or insatisfaction feelings.
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Apr 23 2012 11:55pm
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Like I was saying before. The illusion is not the goal itself but the expectations.

We know that a goal can be achieve or not. It is not an illusion but a speculation on the futur.

It's not bad to have goals, the problem is the sideeffects of having a certain level of expectation creating satisfaction or insatisfaction feelings.


The goal is the illusion. Anything after that is more illusionary results. How is a goal not an illusion? The moment you set that imaginary expectation, is the moment you create that false sense of productivity.
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Apr 24 2012 12:02am
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The goal is the illusion. Anything after that is more illusionary results. How is a goal not an illusion? The moment you set that imaginary expectation, is the moment you create that false sense of productivity.


Well, by example.

If you plant seeds on the ground. You can have the presumption that you're maybe gonna have a harvest. So your goal is to have at the end havested cereals. It is a goal right?

Now, like I said, the problem come on the illusion that your seeds will assurely transform into a good harvest. The goal itself is based on speculations that scientifically, there good chance that you're planned goal give good results. The problem is the expections that you're harvest would assurely become productive.

The idea behind that is to set goal without really believe in the result. You can speculate on the result but it will never be sure.

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Apr 24 2012 12:07am
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G = Goal

If Joe focuses on that one goal. Like how an impatient person rushes through a RPG game while ignoring the story to finish the game... Joe will not be able to see the sidelines that are beyond the goal. Joe will be very narrow-minded, and their pursuit will be dull.



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Nelly is able to see more than one side of the spectrum, because there is no focusing involved, which is a grand focus on its own terms. It is like when a camera in a movie blurrs out the background to focus on a specific character. That is the exact same thing a goal does to a person. It created a blind side, for an illusion that is only valuable based off your personal disposition -- which is not, at all, that reliable.
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Apr 24 2012 12:09am
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Well, by example.

If you plant seeds on the ground. You can have the presumption that you're maybe gonna have a harvest. So your goal is to have at the end  havested cereals. It is a goal right?

Now, like I said, the problem come on the illusion that your seeds will assurely transform into a good harvest. The goal itself is based on speculations that scientifically, there good chance that you're planned goal give good results. The problem is the expections that you're harvest would assurely become productive.

The idea behind that is to set goal without really believe in the result. You can speculate on the result but it will never be sure.


Again. The elements of guessing does not alter reality. It is all an illusion that later plays itself out.

This is how I see it with my ability to not do things with a purpose.

Shit happens. Thats it. If there is a sweet vegetation, hooray! If not, I'm not going to throw a fit over the inevitable result.
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Apr 24 2012 12:12am
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| - - - - - - - - - - - - - [G] - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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G = Goal

If Joe focuses on that one goal. Like how an impatient person rushes through a RPG game while ignoring the story to finish the game... Joe will not be able to see the sidelines that are beyond the goal. Joe will be very narrow-minded, and their pursuit will be dull.



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| <-- This is Nelly.
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Nelly is able to see more than one side of the spectrum, because there is no focusing involved, which is a grand focus on its own terms. It is like when a camera in a movie blurrs out the background to focus on a specific character. That is the exact same thing a goal does to a person. It created a blind side, for an illusion that is only valuable based off your personal disposition -- which is not, at all, that reliable.


I understand your meaning, but it is possible to set goals and still have an open mind on others possibles options. Like I said, you can have goal knowing that the result would not necessarily be satisfying. You also at the same time exploring for new options based on your subjective view of reality. Still, you're will be looking between the scope of an individual.
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Apr 24 2012 12:15am
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I understand your meaning, but it is possible to set goals and still have an open mind on others possibles options. Like I said, you can have goal knowing that the result would not necessarily be satisfying. You also at the same time exploring for new options based on your subjective view of reality. Still, you're will be looking between the scope of an individual.


Why would you possibly want to legitimately alter the shape of reality? I wouldn't want reality itself any other way. I don't ''wish'' for things. I don't run from things. I stand and I savor every single moment life has to offer, whether it be in my favor or against me.

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Apr 24 2012 12:17am
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Again. The elements of guessing does not alter reality. It is all an illusion that later plays itself out.

This is how I see it with my ability to not do things with a purpose.

Shit happens. Thats it. If there is a sweet vegetation, hooray! If not, I'm not going to throw a fit over the inevitable result.


At the bold. Our interpretation here overlap. You had a meaning behind planting seeds, a speculated goal of having an harvest. But you're expectation are variable and will directly follow the reality result. The best way of always been satisfied wherever the reality bring to you.

The action of planting seeds is altering the reality thought. You're the object in action moving particules in a certain way in purpose of make the time advance and to continu the grand scheme of life.

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Why would you possibly want to legitimately alter the shape of reality? I wouldn't want reality itself any other way. I don't ''wish'' for things. I don't run from things. I stand and I savor every single moment life has to offer, whether it be in my favor or against me.


How do I want to alter the shape of reality?

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At the bold. Our interpretation here overlap. You had a meaning behind planting seeds, a speculated goal of having an harvest. But you're expectation are variable and will directly follow the reality result. The best way of always been satisfied wherever the reality bring to you.

The action of planting seeds is altering the reality thought. You're the object in action moving particules in a certain way in purpose of make the time advance and to continu the grand scheme of life.


Tell me. Which is faster? Staring at a clock, watching it slowly reach a specific time that harbors your goal.

Or, let life carry you on its amorphous current, while your mind is simply at ease with any projection or trajectory. As well as the clock going by alot faster than if you were to stare at it and stare it down like you were having a staring contest?

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How do I want to alter the shape of reality?


Creating imaginary ''comfort'' elements to ''ease'' the inevitability of reality's arbitrary, un-bias roles is altering the face of our reality.

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