looks like the left are at it again

thread should end now

The amount of "Harm" caused by someone smoking a cigarette outside when you are around is pretty negligible at best, you must admit. I mean, I haven't got much of a problem with the ban - I like smoking, but I also like fucking, and despite having been in some parks in perfect fucking weather, I have managed to wait until I got home. But the idea that it's because of the harm that smoking causes seems like a hell of a stretch to me.

What about a chain-smoking group of people who swamp out a shady nook in a public park? This is a goofy scenario, but it's possible. Possible and harmful.

# Tobacco smoke has been categorized as a class A carcinogen, positioning it alongside asbestos and arsenic.
# Inhaling smoke coming from other people’s gigarettes can lead to irritation of the eye, headache, cough, sore throat, dizziness and nausea.
# An exposure of merely thirty minutes to cigarette smoke exhaled by other people is considered adequate to diminish the blood flow through the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking#Risk_level




Honestly, I think it's fair to say that it's pretty easy, upon being offended by second-hand smokers, to move yourself to another location on public property. This diminishes any immediate risk but doesn't impede upon infringement of personal liberty.

You're such an idiot.
The laws aren't treating anyone as a second class citizen. Smokers are allowed in the parks. They just can't smoke in the park.
They're simply prohibiting a certain activity in a public location. Also is also legal, but is not allowed in most public places.
The same goes for skateboards, cars, ...
I don't understand how you simply don't get this....

People shouldn't be smoking anyway, I don't see why cigarettes are legal when they're known to cause cancer and have many dangerous chemicals in them. ?-?

It's a good thing this happened, just smoke somewhere else, not everybody likes being around smokers anyhow.



Our health shouldn't be put at risk because you want to smoke.
We don't smoke, why would we want you to smoke infront of us?
That simple.

This post was edited by Flickr on Feb 2 2011 08:58pm

Because the state shouldn't be able to tell us what to do with our bodies.

I said they shouldn't be legal, and people shouldn't be smoking, not that it's okay for the state to tell people you can't smoke.
Marijuana is illegal and people smoke it anyway ~~

According to this logic, people should also be able to urinate in public parks.

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in the various countries smokers contribute more in tax to the system than the cost of smoking imposed illnesses
the healthcare system in many countries would break down without this surplus
and that is the key reason that governments keep it legal - pure hypocrisy

yes, i fully agree with the bolded
why isn't wearing cheap parfum on public transport forbidden?
or eating fresh garlic before work?

if there are so many people concerned, let them declare smoking as illegal
and have some sort of transition legislation for current smokers

This post was edited by brmv on Feb 2 2011 09:16pm