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Oct 2 2009 08:23pm
Quote (Lights_Warrior @ Sat, Oct 3 2009, 02:21am)
What about the other side of the coin?
It is mostly because of slavery and later in the 1800's, imperialistic colonialism, that Africa is the mess that it is today.

so...


Let's not forget the crippling indigenous diseases, tribal warfare, etc.
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Oct 2 2009 08:43pm
Quote (Kamahl16 @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 09:23pm)
Let's not forget the crippling indigenous diseases, tribal warfare, etc.


Note the word Mostly, I do not deny that geographical elements played a role in their underdevelopment. Africa is an extremely rich continent, perhaps the riches in natural resources, but also very dangerous and harsh for sedentary life.

But look dipper. The tribal wars of today are really the result of the way colonies randomly redrew the map, putting bitter enemies together, separating allies,etc...
And all this infighting and corruption has left their economies and societies devastated, leaving them incapable of fending off diseases.

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Quote (HEIDTB @ Fri, Oct 2 2009, 03:16pm)
for 200~ years of "suffering", they now get to live atLEAST 10x better than the average Africans.

Black Americans make about 56% of white Americans yet make 10-15x more than Africans..

should they be thankful for being brought by the slave trade? 


im asking this because my history professors focus so much on how slavery was horrible and stuff, but if they werent coming here by the millions, they'd stay there by the millions...


Fucking NO!
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Oct 2 2009 09:28pm
Quote (datajunky @ Sat, Oct 3 2009, 03:00am)
Fucking NO!


Fucking? No.
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Oct 2 2009 09:53pm
Quote (datajunky @ Fri, 2 Oct 2009, 20:00)
Fucking NO!


support your statement?
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Oct 2 2009 10:51pm
Quote (Lights_Warrior @ Fri, 2 Oct 2009, 19:21)
What about the other side of the coin?
It is mostly because of slavery and later in the 1800's, imperialistic colonialism, that Africa is the mess that it is today.

so... technically speaking,according to your logic, you "helped" a very small % of africans at the expense of the rest.


precisely this

ETA: lol at "My professor focuses so much on the bad side of slavery"

This post was edited by AiNedeSpelCzech on Oct 2 2009 10:52pm
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Oct 3 2009 11:19am
there are way more black africans now than in the past...

expense of lets say 15~ mil we may have helped over 100~ mil (counting ones in south america)
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Quote (HEIDTB @ Sat, 3 Oct 2009, 10:19)
there are way more black africans now than in the past...

expense of lets say 15~ mil we may have helped over 100~ mil (counting ones in south america)


no

the West has never, in any way, helped Africa at all. And we've left them in the horrible shambles they're in today, give or take a few environmental factors.
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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Sat, Oct 3 2009, 05:32pm)
no

the West has never, in any way, helped Africa at all. And we've left them in the horrible shambles they're in today, give or take a few environmental factors.


re read what i said, and dont mix my words

i said west has helped BLACK AMERICANS whos decendents were AFRICAN SLAVES
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Quote (HEIDTB @ Sat, Oct 3 2009, 01:51pm)
re read what i said, and dont mix my words

i said west has helped BLACK AMERICANS whos decendents were AFRICAN SLAVES


I really think the problem here is that myself and a few others sense some underlying racism in your OP and your continuing to push this idea . I may be wrong but if it walks like a duck etc...

This post was edited by WidowMaKer_MK on Oct 3 2009 11:54am
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