Except Zelenskyy isn't Muhammad. Muhammad is 100000x worse

And you are correct again

This post was edited by Norlander on Mar 12 2025 04:09pm

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-lays-out-demands-talks-with-us-ukraine-sources-say-2025-03-13/

Putin has formally laid out his terms for a permanent peace deal, granted they are exactly the same as before but now its in response to this ceasefire offer;

• No NATO membership for Ukraine
  
• No foreign troops in Ukraine
  
• Recognition of the DPR/LPR/Crimea as part of Russia

Lavrov said more or less the same thing in his interview today.
Compared to the status quo ante and the current status quo, the west really stands to lose nothing.

/e also they are realistic and generous terms, not "give us everything east of the dnipro"

This post was edited by Goomshill on Mar 12 2025 10:10pm

Yeah, sounds like Trumps peace talks were 100% intentional bullshit to just stall and get Ukraine into a more favorable position to continue the war, while backstabbing people who elected him (the first of many to come I'm sure)

Isn't Russia demanding the full scope of zap and kher too? Even the parts they haven't yet occupied?

If so I think he's overreaching and overestimating Trump's eagerness to strike a deal.

They've said they want everything east of the Dnipro, but their conditions set for these peace talks are hinged on those points and build off the istanbul talks. Ie no NATO, no nukes, no foreign troops, and accepting separatist regions. Except then the regions could have been autonomous but formally in Ukraine, now they demand them formally in Russia. Zaporizhzhia and Kherson aren't written as firmly into Russia's constitution as the eastern lands they actually occupy, so there's definitely wiggle room for Russia to accept peace on terms they can spin as consistent with their own laws and claims. But that comes down to haggling over where the actual borders would land. Putin has said today that he wants a buffer zone, which basically makes it a buffer zone in a buffer state

Kursk falling today seems like it actually removes the biggest impediment to peace. Russia had no reason to agree to a ceasefire when they would have to trade for lands they were about to take on the battlefield. Now they can just sweep UA forces back to the border and there's no negotiation to be had over Russian lands, only Ukrainian

Indeed. I'm sure TDS perverts are beside themselves that the Russians were able to make Kursk a decisive battlefield victory for the 2nd time in the last 100 years. Well said

How do you initiate WW3?
Propose ceasefire talks
send Nato troops into Ukraine during the ceasefire
Declare to Russia, if they want to continue, they'd be fighting Nato

The "geniuses" behind the idea: Micron and Starmer.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Mar 13 2025 06:19am

I’ve heard an opinion that it’s a risky proposition to Russia. As Ukraine may use this month to regroup, rebuild the defenses and then have a stronger negotiating position for the real talks.

Obviously hard to know anything for certain. Most information is not shared with the public when it comes to the details like this.

The general path forward is rather clear.

Minsk 1
Minsk 2

I doubt Russians would trust a ceasefire anymore.