this is goom's ideology in a nutshell

Biden pardons his son

“B-B-B-B-B-B-BuT tRuMp!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

And theres the full extent of your ability to have an adult conversation.

He had to. The optics forced it.

Had Kamala won, Biden would not have pardoned Hunter. Harris would have. However, Harris lost. Further, Trump called into some show and was asked if he would pursue the Biden case, and he said no, that wasn't right. He then was asked if he'd provide a pardon, and he said that sounded reasonable, or at least a commutation of sentence.

Consider that for a moment. After the Biden DOJ has targeted Trump, his family, his supporters not only in Government and the Military, but in business and regular citizens, Trump turns around a pardon's Biden's son? Optical nightmare for not just Biden, but the DNC period. Forever. That's not a note you EVER want in the history books. It'd be a disaster for the Democratic Party of a scale I don't think most really understand.

Biden had to do it. I despise the guy and always have, even though I predicted he was who they'd run in 2020, and how they'd go about... Winning... Ish. That said, on this mark, he hit the mark. He couldn't leave the pardon to Trump. It'd be a disaster.

I'd mentioned how this was a real possibility and a political liability for democrats like you said, and even a few journalists were asking JKP specifically about it during her press briefings, if Hunter was going to reach out to Trump for a pardon.
It seems like an obvious dunk for Trump to claim the high ground and be magnanimous. But do we really think Biden's motivating factor was actually the political calculus?

If anything I'd say its more likely its a product of a true 'fuck it, I don't care' attitude by Biden. Spite towards the DNC for booting him out. Whatever optics Trump could gain by appearing a bigger man, does it compare to Biden being a blatant liar about his son's pardon and dragging all his corruption back into the light? Biden has every reason to care as a father, and I don't think he's above it. He lost one son, he wasn't going to lose another, his lies were just a farce he intended to maintain throughout the election knowing he was going to bail Hunter out like he has every time all his life. And I'm not sure Joe sees politics as enough of a zero sum two party game to care about Trump anymore

Biden's a political animal. And the only precedent he's really setting in the pardon of his son? A blatant 10 year pardon for any and all crimes. That's unique.

Biden did some interesting things that tied Kamala to him and his administration, and pointed to her as the decision maker. Look at the active role she had in the senate, with over 30 pieces of legislation she played "tie breaker" on... If his indications are correct, she's been in charge of both the executive AND legislated branches in an unprecedented way. After the way he was obviously pushed out when he believed (possibly correctly) that he could win a second term...

He's been spiteful yes, but mostly toward Harris, not the DNC. And the man is 100% concerned about his legacy. Going down as the only President to actively use the DOJ to target his predecessor, his predecessor's family, and his predecessor's supporters, only to have that predecessor become his successor, and PARDON his own SON for real crimes actually commmitted with no need for new laws or throwing the statute of limitations to the wind would be horrific. It would show Biden as a tyrant in the history books for the entire future of the United States.

There is a lot about Joe Biden's life that doesn't make as much sense from strictly political lenses. Not for personal ambitions nor putting party above them. His entanglements with Burisma and Russian/Ukrainian/etc oligarchs during his VP time, bailing out Hunter, his mismanaged foreign policy and dedication to the Ukraine war? They aren't all politically expedient. They aren't smooth white collar crime. He could have forced his son into permanent rehab to stop being a liability. He could have clung to power and crushed internal challenges.

A lot of it really does point to a combination of incompetence, an absent president, self-interests for himself and family above country, a short sighted win-at-all-costs mentality and lack of ethical backbone or concern for long term health of our democracy. If Biden didn't want to be seen in the history books as a tyrant, he didn't need to try to lock up his political opponents, raid mar-a-lago, imprison bannon/navarro, etc etc. Forget the optics of Trump being a bigger man, Biden didn't need to be a smaller one in the first place. When it comes to legacy and impact, everyone could see the eventual outcome of the Ukraine war being inevitable, yet Biden has doubled down at every turn.

I mean maybe the answer for why Biden comes off as a shit president is because Biden was truly a shit president

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 2 2024 09:40pm

Fallout from this will be limited. Kamala's "democracy" argument fell so flat precisely because a majority of the country knew how fake the argument was. You'd expect people like Icemage to be horrified, after all, it's supposedly why they supported these people in the first place, but cognitive dissonance takes no prisoners and you can't look into the abyss for 8 years and not expect it to look back.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Dec 2 2024 09:57pm

We aren't even a Democracy. We're a Constitutional Republic that has been horribly twisted. "Democracy" is the tyranny of the majority, which was something our Constitution as well as many of the Amendments were designed specifically to prevent. The constant cries of "But muh democracy!" have been destroying the credibility of the DNC, it's politicians, and the MSM for years. Everyone is fed up.



100%

When I become President in 2028, I will pardon everyone here for anything.