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Nov 16 2024 06:36pm
Quote (El1te @ Nov 17 2024 01:29am)
I do think we agree/have the same conclusion, I am a theist but I also believe in the big bang theory, because that hypothetical singularity & explosion had to have been caused by something. I see it like this: Theists assert that the big bang was sparked by God, Agnostics assert that it is not possible to know (which is true that you can't measure/know it via observable measurement), Atheists assert that it couldn't be God, but nothing else. My problem with atheists is that what DO they assert? They have zero evidence to their anti-God(s) claim whatsoever. The best they have is that it is unknowable which is not atheist but agnostic.


If you think atheists are wrong because they have no evidence, the same is obviously true for theism and you should be agnostic?
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Nov 16 2024 06:38pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ 16 Nov 2024 19:34)
Just because two options exist doesn't mean they have the same probability. You could argue that since we don't know what really happened assigning probabilities is stupid anyways and "we really don't know, for now believe whatever you want to" is the only correct take anyways. Alternatively you could define whatever initiated and the big bang as "divine" and would be correct by construction.

There are still very few predictions on what trump is gonna do and how that will turn out in this thread. Nothing to lose here really and your chance to appear very smart in a year or two if you accurately predict something.


Well I'm not a scientist but to quote El1te physics states that you can't create energy from nothing, so its more likely that there is divinity that sparked the big bang than anything else.

Also, I don't need predictions to make me feel smart. I already know I'm not super knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the whoel country, its simply too vast. I just know things I care about, and I'm predicting that mortgage rates will go down and that the prices will not increase as sharply. There might be a small surplus on homes on the market during deportations which will heavily improve the living of peopel who are able to buy instead of wasting money to rent, over the next two decades that could increase a growth in the average wealth across teh board.


Also the point is that atheism takes faith just like theism does.

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Nov 16 2024 06:46pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ Nov 16 2024 04:36pm)
If you think atheists are wrong because they have no evidence, the same is obviously true for theism and you should be agnostic?


no because the entire body of modern science is strong evidence for and points directly to theism
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Nov 16 2024 06:47pm
prediction, Trump 2024, JD Vance/ Tulsi VP 2028, JD Vance/ Tulsi VP 2032, Tulsi 2036, Tulsi 2040, Barron Trump 2044, Barron Trump 2048

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Nov 16 2024 06:52pm
For predictions I also predict food and gas prices to go down
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Nov 16 2024 07:04pm
Quote (El1te @ Nov 17 2024 01:52am)
For predictions I also predict food and gas prices to go down


For reference later, Google says a gallon currently is 3.084$

How is science strong evidence for theism?

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Nov 16 2024 07:08pm
Quote (SkySwallower @ Nov 16 2024 05:04pm)
For reference later, Google says a gallon currently is 3.084$

How is science strong evidence for theism?


the big bang theory (redshifting & singularity), life, the cell, dna, rna, ribosomes, human mind & reason, atomic theory
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Quote (WNxMunchie @ Nov 16 2024 01:50pm)
lol maybe OP is right, this will be fun to look back on in 2-4 years lmao ..

If only JSP had a reminder feature. I surely wont remember this because life will be affordable again and I will be able to ejoy the htings I used to and not cost me a weeks paycheck instead of sitting on JSP debating politics with uneducated liberals like yourself haha.

This was fun. I never even know JSP had a politics section until earlier today.

Consider this my hello and goodbye. Hopefully someone will tag me to remind me and I can come back to get a good laugh in a cpl years.

Thanks folks :rofl:


You can track the topic for a year and then retrack the topic for another year when the track is about to expire! :D
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Nov 17 2024 05:05am
Quote (wraps @ Nov 17 2024 03:30am)
You can track the topic for a year and then retrack the topic for another year when the track is about to expire! :D


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Nov 17 2024 07:12am
OP sounds like he got fearmongered by redditors to be honest, here's my predictions

-Trump will negotiate peace between Ukraine and Russia, Russia will probably walk away with some territory they already control and an agreement that Ukraine can't join NATO for X amount of years
-Trump will threaten the middle-east with another dose of freedom, Iran will buckle because they know he's serious (Hamas already scared)
-The Cartels living in America will pack their bags and retire (loads of illegals they smuggled in will shortly follow behind them)
-RFKJ will weed out the corruption in our healthcare and food systems (America won't be the unhealthiest country in the world anymore)
-Elon and Vivek will take care of a ton of inefficient bullshit our tax dollars are going to (no more transgender monkey studies)
-Kids will stop learning about all the genders of the rainbow and instead learn about subjects like Math, Science, and History
-It will stop being ok to castrate children (they'll have to wait until they're 18 or go to Canada)
-Trump will repeal the 22nd amendment and run for a 3rd term, the Dems will respond by bring back Obama (Trump vs Obama 2028)

just kidding about the last one but that would be a great timeline
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