So, this is a great question.

I like to think of it like this:

God sees Sin as Sin. none worse than the other, none lighter than the other. It's binary, either a yes or no.

If someone sins their whole life and accepts redemption at the beginning of that journey, the penalty paid covered them at the beginning ALLL the way to the end, no matter how much sin the person commits after they accept redemption.

Apply that logic to a life long sinner who has yet to accept redemption his whole life (like my grandfather who accepted Christ when he was in his late 70's, I had the pleasure of being there when he accepted redemption), the penalty paid has already covered those sins. It doesn't depend on when the redemption is accepted.

Romans 3:23 says we are ALL sinners, and then in 6:23 it tells us the wages of sin is death. If we are all sinners at the start, we are all going to earn those wages, unless we accept the redemption, which later in 6:23, it gives us the answer to this dilemma, the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

All means all, my friend. I don't think anything seperates me from you, from them, from us, from we/me/anything. I'm a terrible, evile, human sinner. But I try my best to fight that nature. I hope in my heart of hearts that you do, too.

The Rohingya massacre saw tens of thousands of people raped by Buddhists, tens of thousands more killed. Both of those include children.

Hyderabad massacres, similar stats, this one committed by Hindus.


Buddhists and Hindus are human, and equally capable of atrocity as the rest of us. Believing otherwise is childish. History clearly shows that every group which has ever had the ability to abuse power has availed themselves of that option. Every single one, without exception.

Do you want to add the statistics for the Abrahamic side now so we can get an actual number and get an OOM.

Buddhist are the most "persecuted" religious group on Earth.

25-30 million Christians have been killed in the 20th century

The crusades when adjusted to "todays population". Hundreds of millions.

There's like 100x other conflicts between Abrahamic faiths where (10's of thousands to 100's of thousands were killed)

Some numbers are as high as 1.2 billion people killed standing up to the Abrahamic faiths

&&& you find the two small instances where Buddhist/Hindus are on the offensive.

I never said they "don't kill each other over religion" there's more Christian/Muslim Hindus in India then any other faith?

I consider you one of the more intelligent posters on P&RD and I know you know that the Abrahamic faith as a whole is responsible for probably 90% of the "deaths" as they conquered the world and killed all the people who believed in "false idols".

I'm Catholic and I know 70million people were killed because of the Catholic church. That number alone dwarfs all the "Buddhist/Hindu" massacres.

It's really a non-starter for me.

Not telling anyone what to believe I just look at the sheer numbers.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 18 2024 09:01am

I am not the clergy.

I am not a spokesperson for the Catholic church or Hinduism.

I am a human being who has STUDIED all faiths to find their similarities and differences. I hated the fact that their was such a vitriol amongst my fellow man and I sought to remove that from my heart through Jesus Christ.

I love Jesus Christ with all my being and I bolstered my faith in him by seeing him through the lenses of "Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, amongst a few other mystics/sages/gurus".

My belief on all of this according to your words "Heathenistic/Luciferian/Satanist" but how ironic all I've done is dedicated my life to God and yet here you are judging me for having attempted to better my relationship with Christ.

Yes I have read the gospel and it is very powerful. So is the Bhagavad Gita. So is the Quran. So is the Tibetan Book of the Dead. So is the Book of Mormon. I could go on and on but stories are just that "stories". Written by man not "God" to explain the human experience on Earth.

Some books are straight forward and others use "cryptic language symbolism" and very few know it's "True meaning".

I am not arguing for or against anything just sharing my perception.

My Grandma is 87 years old and is the most loving/kind/generous person I know. She doesn't know if she's Christian or Catholic but yet she volunteered at churches for 50 years and by her action alone "Walks with Christ". When I told her I was going to study Eastern religions and philosophies she thought I was "denouncing my faith" in Christ. I wasn't. I started to go to church with her on Sundays after I attended lectures on Tuesday/Thursday at the Vedanta Society.

Over the course of the next year or two she saw my faith in Christ grow so much that one day she looked at me and cried and said, "I'm glad you know him now". Even though I always did she was my affirmation that it was "ok" to seek Christ in other places.

Out of my entire family of 40 people only me and her are active in the church(Yes I go to church on Sundays and a Temple other days in the week).

Here are some similarities I "googled" between Hinduism/Chrisitiany. My opinions on scripture aren't scripture I get that you don't have to hit me over the head with it.

Concept of God
Both religions believe in one God who sends others to help people. In Hinduism, this God is Brahman, who is worshipped through many other gods. In Christianity, this God is all-powerful and loving, and is conceived in the Trinity.
Guidance
Both religions rely on divine revelation in their scriptures, and on the guidance of wise people and the urgings of conscience. Christians also look to the lives of the saints for guidance, while Hindus look to the wisest people in their society.
Rituals
Both religions use incense, sacred bread, and altars. Christians also use the sign of the cross, and have rituals such as prayer, hymn singing, baptism, and foot washing.
Tradition
Both religions have traditions that are passed down through generations.
Some other similarities include:
The use of the rosary in Christianity, which is similar to the Vedic japamala in Hinduism
Christian processions
However, there are also some differences between the two religions:
Heaven and Hell
In Christianity, those who believed Jesus is God's Son will live with God forever in heaven, while those who rejected Jesus will go to hell. In Hinduism, when someone reaches the apex of life on earth, their spirit experiences the Brahman, which is similar to heaven.
Non-dualism
Hinduism teaches Advaita, which is the idea that God alone is, which is different from Christianity's teaching of "only one god".

To start, your numbers are complete nonsense. You can not adjust death tolls to today's world population... human life has always had the exact same value, it's not worth less now that there are more people.

Even allowing that bizarre calculation though, the figure you arrived at is wrong. And even if it was right, that would prove nothing, and is not even what this argument is about.

As I said, every group which has ever had the ability to abuse power has availed themselves of that option. Christians inherited the Roman empire, which allowed them to spread far and wide through the most technologically advanced portion of the world. This made them the most powerful, which made them the most capable of abusing power. Buddhists and Hindus abuse power at the same rate, according to their ability, their power has just happened to be less. When Christians had no power, they were the victims. Diocletian killed a large percentage of all the Christians in the world. That's how history goes. There's no good guys and there never has been. If you think otherwise, you haven't been paying attention.



You literally said that there are no[none] "terrible things "Buddhist/Hindus" are responsible for" those are your words. "None", that means zero, it doesn't mean fewer. If you want to change the argument, you have to change the statement you made.

Christianity is a terrible religion, pard needs less of it tbh

I'll stick with the notion that the Abrahamic faith from it's inception in 33AD has caused more hell/chaos/death then any other "religious group" on Earth by a LONG-SHOT. I don't think you understand that Christians and Muslims make up the highest percentage of "Hindus" in India. So yes Muslim Hindus are still killing Buddhist/Christians/Hinduist.

Buddhist and Hindus were going back and fourth about "god vs no god" a THOUSAND years prior to the inception of the Abrahamic faith. They didn't kill each other over it. They did however create the most highly intelligent debaters to ever live because for a thousand years they "thought out" all that humans can "think of" and then they debated back and fourth.

Fast forward to 33AD and Christ is crucified. From then until now most the genocides fall on the hands of the Abrahamic folk. They all like to blame each other for more of the share of the needless death(People often say Muslims kill more) but they are all from the same "Abrahamic faith" so I tally the "lives they've taken" as ONE. The Indians who worship millions of Gods. I clump them all together too and their number is miniscule compared to the Abrahamic.

Last time when I argued that the Abrahamic faith has raped more little boys and girls then any other group combined someone did what you did. Googled the small instances where a Buddhist monk or Hindu monk was found guilty of rape/child molestation etc.

Would you say, "Oh the numbers don't matter they do it too?". No.

Don't know why people defend the Abrahamic faith when it comes to "innocent people slaughtered" and "little kids touched". Do I blame the church? No. Do I blame the faith? No. I blame the individual like you said who abused their power.

You really think Hindus and Buddhist who never left India/Nepal/etc. have done MORE "damage" then the Abrahmic faith? Let me know what you are smoking if so I want that.

edit: If I walked down the street and asked people, "Who has murdered more innocent people in the name of their religion". PICK ONE "Buddhist" "Hindus" "Christians" "Muslims" "Jews". Gee I wonder? Do you think the average non-religious person even knows that "Jews/Christians/Muslims" are in the same grouping. Doubtful.

This post was edited by SwamiVivekananda on Oct 18 2024 10:08am

It's not a terrible religion it's just the one that is the most often taken advantage of by pedophiles(Catholic church included). Muslim harems with little boys included.

When you stick to its core tenets it's a beautiful religion but because of it's large numbers. Weirdos slip through the cracks and commit terrible acts.

You live in a fantasy world. I like Hinduism. Hindu people on average are no better than those of any other faith though. I never claimed Buddhists and Hindus have done more damage. Only that they are equally capable, if given the same opportunity.

Again. Every group which has ever had the ability to abuse power has availed themselves of that option. There are no exceptions.

You're pointing out that the strongest people waged the most war... that's an axiom. In times and places when Christians were not the strongest, others were responsible for atrocity.



The Dalai Lama is a buddhist and he owned thousands of slaves, ruled over one of the most brutally self-destructive nations in recent history. Buddhists all over the world, enacting faith, still generally revere him and want his country returned to him lol.

I disagree but you’re entitled to your opinion of course