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Wow a lot of atheists


A lot more than I thought.
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Oct 14 2024 07:11am
You do realize there s a problem in your poll right ?

You know that every catholic is christian but not every christian is catholic ?

You should have make :
Catholic
Protestant
Orthodox

Can you name 3 countries in Europe ?
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Oct 14 2024 11:12am
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You do realize there s a problem in your poll right ?

You know that every catholic is christian but not every christian is catholic ?

You should have make :
Catholic
Protestant
Orthodox

Can you name 3 countries in Europe ?


It's a weird consequence of Anglocentrism. Lots of people believe that Catholics are not Christian which is bizarre
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Oct 14 2024 11:54am
Quote (Red_Vex @ 14 Oct 2024 08:11)
You do realize there s a problem in your poll right ?

You know that every catholic is christian but not every christian is catholic ?

You should have make :
Catholic
Protestant
Orthodox

Can you name 3 countries in Europe ?


Quote (El1te @ 14 Oct 2024 12:12)
It's a weird consequence of Anglocentrism. Lots of people believe that Catholics are not Christian which is bizarre


:rofl: :rofl:

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Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 14 2024 12:54pm)
:rofl: :rofl:

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Most christians would not consider mormons christians, they have a different prophet additional holy books different holy books, sure, they may claim to maintain some of the same traditions, but the overarching point of their theology is fundamentally different.

The same is true of catholics and Christians. The difference from the catholic point of view of christianity to the various sub sebsects of followers of christ are quite stark.

This post was edited by ScionCapital on Oct 14 2024 01:35pm
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Most christians would not consider mormons christians, they have a different prophet additional holy books different holy books, sure, they may claim to maintain some of the same traditions, but the overarching point of their theology is fundamentally different.

The same is true of catholics and Christians. The difference from the catholic point of view of christianity to the various sub sebsects of followers of christ are quite stark.


Dear God....

If they have different prophet and different holy books why would they be considered Christian ? Muslims have a different prophet and a different holy book, are they Christians ?

Can you explain me the difference between Protestants and Catholics ? Do you know what Sola Scriptura means ?

Do you know that Catholicism existed YEAAARS before Protestantism ?

Have you ever opened a "normal" book in your entire existence ?

How much is 15% of 100 ?
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Dear God....

If they have different prophet and different holy books why would they be considered Christian ? Muslims have a different prophet and a different holy book, are they Christians ?

Can you explain me the difference between Protestants and Catholics ? Do you know what Sola Scriptura means ?

Do you know that Catholicism existed YEAAARS before Protestantism ?

Have you ever opened a "normal" book in your entire existence ?

How much is 15% of 100 ?


You're entire response is so nonsensical i'm not even sure what you are attempting to convey. I did not say they would be considered Christian.. i was saying the opposite. Most Christians do not consider mormons to be Christians.. catholics view protestants as heretical. Viewing a subsect of baptists catholics would see that faith as heretical. I don't know how you can possibly draw the inference that I was saying that they are all christian given the differences I outlined. Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension my good fellow.

Also, fk u.

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You're entire response is so nonsensical i'm not even sure what you are attempting to convey. I did not say they would be considered Christian.. i was saying the opposite. Most Christians do not consider mormons to be Christians.. catholics view protestants as heretical. Viewing a subsect of baptists catholics would see that faith as heretical. I don't know how you can possibly draw the inference that I was saying that they are all christian given the differences I outlined. Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension my good fellow.

Also, fk u.


There's a reason all of them are under the umbrella of "Abrahamic faiths" because the core of their beliefs are rooted THERE and no where else.

You are wrong that "Christians" see Mormons and Catholics as "heretical". They do not. They are much closer with them then they are to Muslims/Jews. They are all talking about the same "Abrahamic God" they just use different stories/symbolism to explain their beliefs.

I've met and talked with Jehovas Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Christians, Jews, Muslims through the philosophical organization I am a part of. They are all essentially saying the same thing in different ways.

This is why there is a stark contrast between the Abrahamic faiths and all other faiths.

Buddhist, Hindus, Sikhs, Daoist, and other Eastern philosophies all incorporate "Atheism/Agnosticism" but would call you an idiot to your face for "stopping" at "Atheism/Agnosticism" it shows that you are lazy and won't go further through some methodology to come to an absolute answer. Saying "Ya I think there's a creative force but idk breh" is lazy. Saying "Ya there is no God and I'm sure of it because I can't see it" is also lazy. How do I know that? Because I had atheistic tendencies and I was raised Catholic so I spent years studying all faiths/religions/philosophies/methodologies to find the inner-truth that is present across all religions/faiths. They are all much more similar then you think. If you read their major texts you'd know that.

Your poll was a little off right from the get-go because you confused religion/philosophy and there's nothing wrong with that. Because I corrected you you got so triggered no idea why.

is right in the sense that you haven't read much into scripture and that's fine too some people get lost in the scripture(hence all the different denominations of the Abrahamic faiths).

I was raised Catholic and studied every religion in your list so that wouldn't necessarily make me "Spiritual". I don't do ritual worship. I stopped reading scripture. I would never say I'm a spiritual person even after intensely studying what people consider "spiritual". I used pure logic to overcome a lot of the fallacies intrinsic within my own faith. I had atheistic/agnostic tendencies so I decided to look into how other cultures viewed Jesus Christ. Not surprisingly the Eastern philosophies see him as one of the greatest teachers to ever live. Hindus would say he's "god incarnate" and a reflection of what beings should strive for in this life.

"God" "god" means different things to different people across different cultures dating back thousands of years.

People who say they are "spiritual" aren't "religious". People who say I'm an atheist/agnostic aren't "religious".

My family is all Christian/Catholic and to me they are lazy. My Grandma thought I was worshipping the devil when I went to study Hinduism and other Eastern philosophy. You as a human being aren't seeing the full "image of God" unless you study ALL religions/faiths. Do you need too? Of course not. Give your life to Christ. Give your life to Allah. Give your life to Ramakrishna. It's all the same. Just don't think a person who studied multiple faiths and made correlations between all "scripture" to confine themselves to one religion.
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There's a reason all of them are under the umbrella of "Abrahamic faiths" because the core of their beliefs are rooted THERE and no where else.

You are wrong that "Christians" see Mormons and Catholics as "heretical". They do not. They are much closer with them then they are to Muslims/Jews. They are all talking about the same "Abrahamic God" they just use different stories/symbolism to explain their beliefs.

I've met and talked with Jehovas Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Christians, Jews, Muslims through the philosophical organization I am a part of. They are all essentially saying the same thing in different ways.

This is why there is a stark contrast between the Abrahamic faiths and all other faiths.

Buddhist, Hindus, Sikhs, Daoist, and other Eastern philosophies all incorporate "Atheism/Agnosticism" but would call you an idiot to your face for "stopping" at "Atheism/Agnosticism" it shows that you are lazy and won't go further through some methodology to come to an absolute answer. Saying "Ya I think there's a creative force but idk breh" is lazy. Saying "Ya there is no God and I'm sure of it because I can't see it" is also lazy. How do I know that? Because I had atheistic tendencies and I was raised Catholic so I spent years studying all faiths/religions/philosophies/methodologies to find the inner-truth that is present across all religions/faiths. They are all much more similar then you think. If you read their major texts you'd know that.

Your poll was a little off right from the get-go because you confused religion/philosophy and there's nothing wrong with that. Because I corrected you you got so triggered no idea why.

^Red_Vex is right in the sense that you haven't read much into scripture and that's fine too some people get lost in the scripture(hence all the different denominations of the Abrahamic faiths).

I was raised Catholic and studied every religion in your list so that wouldn't necessarily make me "Spiritual". I don't do ritual worship. I stopped reading scripture. I would never say I'm a spiritual person even after intensely studying what people consider "spiritual". I used pure logic to overcome a lot of the fallacies intrinsic within my own faith. I had atheistic/agnostic tendencies so I decided to look into how other cultures viewed Jesus Christ. Not surprisingly the Eastern philosophies see him as one of the greatest teachers to ever live. Hindus would say he's "god incarnate" and a reflection of what beings should strive for in this life.

"God" "god" means different things to different people across different cultures dating back thousands of years.

People who say they are "spiritual" aren't "religious". People who say I'm an atheist/agnostic aren't "religious".

My family is all Christian/Catholic and to me they are lazy. My Grandma thought I was worshipping the devil when I went to study Hinduism and other Eastern philosophy. You as a human being aren't seeing the full "image of God" unless you study ALL religions/faiths. Do you need too? Of course not. Give your life to Christ. Give your life to Allah. Give your life to Ramakrishna. It's all the same. Just don't think a person who studied multiple faiths and made correlations between all "scripture" to confine themselves to one religion.


Again you misunderstand the english language, catholics see protestants as heretical. They most certainly do, and protestants most certainly in the United States see catholics as papists. They considered them idolatures. I see that you are french you obviously do not understand american religious fervor. I didn't read the rest of it because the premise is false..
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Again you misunderstand the english language, catholics see protestants as heretical. They most certainly do, and protestants most certainly in the United States see catholics as papists. They considered them idolatures. I see that you are french you obviously do not understand american religious fervor. I didn't read the rest of it because the premise is false..


You are basing that off a false assumption about the average practitioner of the Abrahamic faith.

If you put them all in a room none of them would start screaming "heretic" at one another. All would find the similarities not the differences between one another. This is common for the very reason I mentioned. Muslims/Jews/Christians/Mormons all have their roots in the same region of the world at the time those religions "formed" or were "invented" by man. Yes the Bible was written by learned scribes of that time and so the actual "word of God" will be debated to infinitum.

You aren't using a real world example. The whole "heretics" thing was used "way back then" for a very specific reason. We now know a lot of those "heretics" were simply dabbling in what we now call "science".

I've been in a room with an Imam, Guru, Priest, Rabbi, and other clerics and none call each other names. They all respect one another.

Vedanta is a philosophy where you can be a "Catholic" and give yourself to Jesus Christ and still study all the other religions/philosophies with "non-attachment". No one is trying to convert you and the end goal is what we all call "God". Called by different names it is in actuality the same thing across all faiths.

Vedanta is the supplemental philosophy that has allowed me to strengthen my bond with Jesus Christ by seeing/experiencing him through the lens of other human beings from different cultures.

So tell me what am I practicing? My own religion? No. My own spiritual path? No. Using logical/deductive reasoning to cut through the fairy tale bullshit / cryptic symbology across all "scripture"((Atheism/Agnosticism))?. No. It is a combination of all or none. Just telling you that because that's how I see it. We clearly don't see things eye-to-eye and that's very common when discussing religion/philosophy.
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