Do you understand how wrong this is?
For every child who expresses dark thoughts, makes threats, acts troubled and goes on to commit a heinous crime like a mass shooting, there are 10000 moody children who don't. Anyone with even tangential connection to the education system can tell you there are emo kids and problem kids at every school and many of them. If you start treating every single one as a "foregone conclusion", you're robbing them of their agency and choice and damning them on a presumption. What kind of wild society would write off a kid as a lost cause on a mere suspicion before he's done anything wrong? Until this shooting, all they had as warning about this kid was that he emphatically denied making a post on discord talking about a school shooting and the investigators said there was no proof and let it alone.

The prosecution here is premised on judging the father on that hindsight while ignoring the fact law enforcement and the school authorities both gave the kid the benefit of the doubt. Somehow the father was supposed to know what nobody could.

Also we're getting initial reports that;


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apparently he posted a lot of pictures of (other) militant trans activists posting with rifles in "protect trans kids" shirts.

So no confirmation yet but we might be looking at trans mass shooter #....4, 5? I lost count

But they still know how guns work? They still understand what happens when you shoot another person! They simply don't because they don't have enough reason to. We all can be driven to terrible acts when given reason. Weather those reasons attain the level of justified is another thing. No one wrote this kid off, your grasping at erroneous conclusions again. However there are some of us who cannot be helped. In which there is no third option. His father lacked the ability to recognize his warning signs. That is an unfortunate tragedy, but doesn't absolve him of negligence. Anyone could see this kid was troubled, if they didn't want to see, that's what they did. Just because they are no actionable courses, there are always preventive intervention. Counseling, and removal of a weapon from his surroundings. I had to remove a trio of guns from my grandparents house because my grandfather was becoming deranged and unbalanced due to dementia, even in the earliest stages.

Again you're talking about judging someone on suspicion. Someone who at that point had done nothing wrong, against whom there was no provable evidence of a threat. Writing off this kid is exactly what you're talking about, and the fact nobody wrote him off is a credit to society and yet here we are retroactively judging people for trying to give him a chance in life instead of treating him like he's radioactive. That he's glowing with "warning signs". You can't judge the parents, or the school or FBI or sheriff for not isolating this child and treating him as a threat unless you're saying that he should have been isolated and treated as a threat.

The whole debate is about wanting to have it both ways when they are mutually exclusive. We can't try to give every kid a fair shake and then retroactively judge guilty everyone who didn't persecute him. We can't hold a kid as an adult responsible for his own actions and then charge everyone around him for being his guardian.

What happens in a world where paranoid adults, disregarding the fact that mass school shootings are rarer than unicorns, obsess over cases like this and treat every problem child as a suspected serial killer in training? If little Johnny swears at someone in a CoD lobby, do we cart him off in the Hannibal Lector trolley to 'alternative school' where an armed guard watches his every move?

Yeah, no, people not putting him under scrutiny Got 2 children killed and 2 teachers. He was under suspicion, what are you talking about? He denied he did something that doesn't absolve him of suspicion. At that point, what you do is you put that kid counseling, Remove firearms from his surroundings that just common sense. Seeking help for someone is not writing them off.

I'm not even gonna read your response. Because you quite literally just said school shootings are more rare than unicorns, Unicorns do not exist except for fairy tale books. There's no point continue conversation. Thankfully we have cooler heads at work than in this thread

No device is secure, you can look up a you tube video of how to crack a safe and with some perseverance you will get in.

Maybe I CAN but most people lack the intelligence or abilities to do as you suggest. Certainly not children. Except for the few who are gifted.

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And I don't see what a safe cracking has to do with the massacre of children in school By guns. Seems like you're trying to draw conclusions buy two extremely unrelated events

Are you retarded, you said "Things should be locked up" I pointed out that a kid is just going to get in one way or another.
Then you ask How are these two things related?

Are you? By that logic the kid can break into fortknox With just a YouTube video. You're implying that a 14 year old is capable of breaking in any sort of vault or safe, which is not true in any respect.

This post was edited by ScionCapital on Sep 6 2024 01:43pm