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Aug 2 2024 03:26pm
Suddenly the people who have been screaming there is only 2 genders and its based on hole or pole are not so sure.
She has a vagina, she was born a woman and she is 9-6 in boxing, there is fighters at the olympics with much better records.
Also: The people who keep comparing trans people to pedophiles are more worried about the supposed trans person than the actual convicted pedophile rapist.

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Aug 2 2024 03:33pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 2 2024 03:01pm)
The argument has always been a biological one, and at the heart of it is, sex is determined by chromosomes. Chromosomes and genitalia >99% of the time match. The few instances where they don't because of some syndrome or other very rare thing doesn't remove or invalidate that correlation. I know you think you're making a good argument, but you're really not mate. There's no gotcha here, you're just being obtuse in what people have actually been arguing.


No my point is extremely valid, especially because we aren’t even dealing with a transgender person. I have no problem with the argument about genetics and xy vs xx. I don’t think biological males should play sport’s against biological women, especially combat.
But the pearl clutching by the anti trans community for a situation that doesn’t involve a trans person and the subsequent arguments and movement of the goal post is hilarious.

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Aug 2 2024 03:44pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 2 2024 11:26pm)
Suddenly the people who have been screaming there is only 2 genders and its based on hole or pole are not so sure.
She has a vagina, she was born a woman and she is 9-6 in boxing, there is fighters at the olympics with much better records.
Also: The people who keep comparing trans people to pedophiles are more worried about the supposed trans person than the actual convicted pedophile rapist.


That dude was disqualified from the world championships for failing gender eligibility tests meaning that dude is not a woman. That's all pretty straightforward, your emotions don't matter here.

Let that dude compete against the other dudes, problem solved.

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No my point is extremely valid, especially because we aren’t even dealing with a transgender person. I have no problem with the argument about genetics and xy vs xx. I don’t think biological males should play sport’s against biological women, especially combat.
But the pearl clutching by the anti trans community for a situation that doesn’t involve a trans person and the subsequent arguments and movement of the goal post is hilarious.


It's ridiculous that you call the people that are pointing this out "the anti trans community"

We're talking about fair play at the Olympics here not pro or anti trans.

I don't care at all what that dude does in his free time but let him compete against the other dudes at the Olympics it's common sense FFS
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Aug 2 2024 03:51pm
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No my point is extremely valid, especially because we aren’t even dealing with a transgender person. I have no problem with the argument about genetics and xy vs xx. I don’t think biological males should play sport’s against biological women, especially combat.
But the pearl clutching by the anti trans community for a situation that doesn’t involve a trans person and the subsequent arguments and movement of the goal post is hilarious.


It's not. Because biology is not just about observable genitalia but also inclusive of chromosomes. The argument around sex has always incorporated chromosomes and you wanting to pretend it didn't is dishonest.

It doesn't matter if they are transgender or not, they clearly have male characteristics if you open your eyes and just look, a 5 year old can look at them and say this looks like a boy, their biological (chromosomes) failed gender tests also prove this. This really isn't difficult to follow.
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Aug 2 2024 03:55pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 2 2024 06:51pm)
It's not. Because biology is not just about observable genitalia but also inclusive of chromosomes. The argument around sex has always incorporated chromosomes and you wanting to pretend it didn't is dishonest.

It doesn't matter if they are transgender or not, they clearly have male characteristics if you open your eyes and just look, a 5 year old can look at them and say this looks like a boy, their biological (chromosomes) failed gender tests also prove this. This really isn't difficult to follow.


Quite literally the point. I’m not the one making the point that genitalia is the end all be all, that’s the anti trans weirdos (Atleast they were prior to this conundrum they are facing) im not saying YOU are.

I’m not having difficulty following. Just pointing out how anti trans people are confused with this situation and getting their talking points mixed up.

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the anti trans weirdos.


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Aug 2 2024 04:46pm
Quote (Chainsaw47 @ Aug 1 2024 03:41pm)
What’s weird is that the IBA ruled in 2023 that Khelif had XY chromosomes, not just high testosterone. Now the IOC is saying it’s not a transgender issue. Does the IOC allow trans athletes if their testosterone levels are low, what’s the standard here?


This is not a debate to be had, it does not matter if his test is low, dude is a man competing against a woman, the fact people seem to try and shy away from that to avoid critique is insane to me .. feelings are WAY to centralized in this discussion. Protect our Women from abuse, it does not matter if it comes from someone disquised in womens clothing
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Aug 2 2024 04:54pm
a brief look up on this issue would have indicated that khelif was assigned female at birth and is not a transwoman

as the most transphobic person on jsp i'm dissappointed in my fellow transphobes for latching onto this without doing your due diligence
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Aug 2 2024 05:01pm
Quote (AndrewTate @ Aug 2 2024 06:46pm)
This is not a debate to be had, it does not matter if his test is low, dude is a man competing against a woman, the fact people seem to try and shy away from that to avoid critique is insane to me .. feelings are WAY to centralized in this discussion. Protect our Women from abuse, it does not matter if it comes from someone disquised in womens clothing


Did you quote the wrong person or something? I don't see how my post is emotional, I'm just wondering how and why the IOC applies its current standards.
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