Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 8 2024 05:53pm)

A multiparty first-past-the-post system with delayed and potentially multiparty runoffs is just an abomination.

The RN only lost this election relative to unrealistic expectations which were built on a questionable premise to begin with. At the end of the day, the EU-sceptics from the left and right fringes have made huge gains in this election; it also strengthens the Hamasniks. (Just look at all the Palestine flags which were waved in Paris last night as the Left celebrated their victory with some obligatory riots. ^_^ ) The neoliberal establishment in Paris and Brussels avoided the worst-case scenario, but this outcome has to be the second-worst possible scenario from their POV.




Aside from the difficulty forming an... ANY government out of this result, this election marks another milestone in the ongoing erosion of France's political middle. With this result, the specter of a Le Pen - Melenchon runoff in the 2027 presidential election has become significantly more likely.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 8 Jul 2024 18:38)

Let me tell you that Mcron's party was created from nothing and grow pretty quickly, then get crushing majority, all this in a very, very short amount of time.

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3 years is alot.

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I may add that people talking about blocks as single entity like "the left" or "the right" have a splitting issue. Even the RN did an alliance with right wings to get its 10 millions votes.

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Parti 2024
LFI
75
Écologistes
33
PS
65
PCF
9
Divers gauche et dissidents NFP
11
Renaissance
99
Modem
33
Horizons <====== this one you should take a look
26
Divers centre et autres Ensemble
5
LR, divers droite et UDI
68
LR ralliés au RN
17
RN
126
Autres
10

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 8 2024 08:45pm)

So? What's the broader point? Also, Macron's party was only filling the void left behind the crumbling center-left and center-right parties.


Agreed, but this argument cuts both ways. 3 bad years and the radical fringes become even stronger than they are right now.


That's a distinction without difference. In the election, each bloc only fielded one candidate per constituency. Or sometimes none at all, in the instances where liberals and lefties coordinated to deny the RN.





That's interesting. Ecologistes, Parti Socialiste (both part of the NFP bloc), Renaissance, Modem, Horizons (making up the entire Ensemble bloc) plus the mainstream conservative Les Republicains would have 324 seats, well above the 289 needed for a majority. So a "grand coalition of the middle" would indeed have a majority, the big question is just if Macron can offer the greens and socialists enough so that they ditch Melenchon/the LFI.

Quote (Meanwhile @ 8 Jul 2024 21:13)

Center-like majority will/would be essentially functional. Personally i prefer a political exposure of the far right, giving them some hard-to-deal-with ministry. These traitors have to be integrated to be rejected later.

Melenchon is disliked by too many, the guy is scary and almost authoritarian. A bit the same than LePen, but without the father who tortured people in Algeria. Melenchon is politically cursed and I think he can't became president but that's just my opinion.
On the other hand someone will replace him.

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70% of parliament renewed by competent citizen which were not part of the common core career politicians. I let you compare this with some others countries. Such emergence happened and can happen again.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 8 2024 11:15pm)

That's the scary part: both Le Pen and Melenchon will believe that the other is the opponent they can beat in a runoff, so they both have an interest in creating a polarized political environment and "drown out" the messaging of Macron's successor or other candidates from mainstream parties.
That's cool and all that, but unfortunately, the parliament in France is far less powerful than in e.g. the UK or Germany. The French political system is wholly organized around the president.
Or, from a more cynical perspective: "if elections could truly change things, they'd be outlawed". :lol:

Quote (Meanwhile @ 8 Jul 2024 23:59)

In France Parliament is required to vote laws you know... This is the difference in between excutive and legislative...
Along with senate and consitutional council.

President has some special jokers but can't use them too often:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_49_of_the_French_Constitution

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 9 2024 01:34am)

President Macron was able to pass his pension reform, one of the biggest reforms in decades, without even letting the parliament vote on it. Something like that wouldn't fly in any other first world country.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 8 2024 05:53pm)

A multiparty first-past-the-post system with delayed and potentially multiparty runoffs is just an abomination.

The RN only lost this election relative to unrealistic expectations which were built on a questionable premise to begin with. At the end of the day, the EU-sceptics from the left and right fringes have made huge gains in this election; it also strengthens the Hamasniks. (Just look at all the Palestine flags which were waved in Paris last night as the Left celebrated their victory with some obligatory riots. ^_^ ) The neoliberal establishment in Paris and Brussels avoided the worst-case scenario, but this outcome has to be the second-worst possible scenario from their POV.




Aside from the difficulty forming an... ANY government out of this result, this election marks another milestone in the ongoing erosion of France's political middle. With this result, the specter of a Le Pen - Melenchon runoff in the 2027 presidential election has become significantly more likely.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 9 Jul 2024 03:19)

i am not disagreeing, but in a situation like this you have to look beyond politics

france is already cooked as is, now its another multiyear wait with communists and hamas shills in parliament just to have a chance for meaningful change

you cant keep saying "oh well maybe next time" forever