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Jun 25 2024 04:01pm
Quote (Ashirgo @ Jun 25 2024 02:53pm)
Someone should look up the definition of a Nazi

Contemporary right wing nationalists are everywhere., and none of them are Nazi.


People who wave Nazi flags, tattoo swastikas onto themselves, and unironically pass out copies of Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Do you consider them to be Nazis?
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Quote (Ashirgo @ 25 Jun 2024 21:53)
Someone should look up the definition of a Nazi

Contemporary right wing nationalists are everywhere., and none of them are Nazi.


A senior Azov Movement figure, currently a battalion commander at the 3rd detached assault brigade (one of Azov outfits), Dmytro Kukharchuk, has published a manifesto on the account of the EU launching membership talks with Ukraine.

The text is entirely in line with the old school Azov ideology - no EU, but Intermarium and “Reconquista” that begins in Ukraine and spreads into the rest of Europe.

He claims that EU membership is imposed on Ukraine by a leftist minority: “Like all the healthy Ukrainians, I am against Ukraine entering the liberal orgy known as European Union”.

He goes on to say that nationalists and football ultras were the only viable force during the 2014 revolution, while “the liberals were sucking each other’s cock”. Without the nationalists, “Revolution of Dignity would have remained Euromaidan”.

He says he and his comrades never fought for the EU which he describes as “leftist crap”.

Kukharchuk goes on to say that the best union for Ukraine to enter would be Baltic to Black Sea union (Intermarium).

In his opinion, Ukraine is “the healthiest part of Europe”. “If a European Reconquista [white supremacist revolution] begins, it will only happen thanks to us”.

He ends with an implicit threat to those he calls the lefties: “While right-wingers are fighting, left-wingers are enjoying too much freedom. But believe me, mental f**s, we will return.”

Kukharchuk is currently an entirely mainstreamed figure frequently interviewed by journalists and appearing on TV.
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As the BBC covers;

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In 2004, Tyahnybok was kicked out of former President Viktor Yushchenko's parliamentary faction for a speech calling for Ukrainians to fight against a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" - using two highly insulting words to describe Russians and Jews - and emphasising that Ukrainians had in the past fought this threat with arms.

In 2005, he signed an open letter to Ukrainian leaders, including President Yushchenko, calling for the government to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry", which, the letter said, was spreading its influence in the country through conspiratorial organisations as the Anti-Defamation League - and which ultimately wanted to commit "genocide" against the Ukrainian people.


But yeah after Democrats spent decades accusing anyone right of Chairman Mao of being a cryptonazi for opposing gender mutilation of children or whatever, its kind of ridiculous to watch them get in bed with people who tattoo swastikas on themselves, heil hitler and pass out copies of mein kampf and pretend they aren't nazis.
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More concern of course should be player (Russia) who enable nuclear terrorist Kim + identical stategy+motive to Hitler
protecting minorities in other country, attack other country at 4 am many others example of this

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Jun 26 2024 07:17am
I don't think US should give these people weapons:



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Be very safe with this, such picture qualify as post personal information/photo of other d2jsp member :lol:
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Be very safe with this, such picture qualify as post personal information/photo of other d2jsp member :lol:


You means someone is getting triggered so much that it reported legit pictures taken from the press ?


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No I mean like, it very high probable that in this pictures you post some users in this political forum
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No I mean like, it very high probable that in this pictures you post some users in this political forum


The online version of it for sure.
I think it's time to let this brilliant topic to die now.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 24 2024 10:48pm)
For one, Yuriy Sodol was just removed from his lt general position after Azov's commander directed Zelensky to do so. That doesn't sound like a politically irrelevant group to me

For two, besides it being common knowledge the right sector / azov represent a large political interest in ukraine, its self evident. There is no such thing as a heavily armed partisan group in a wartorn country with an unstable government (zelensky banned another political group and seized their assets as he continues to stay in office without elections). Most us proxy conflicts end with collapses ally governments. We pay Azov and the right wing to fight under Zelensky's regime, they are willing to do so as long as we run the show. The minute western support drops, who takes over in a power vacuum? Ive said since the beginning this is what happens when you arm ANY group let alone ultranationist Nazis. What happened the last time Ukraines government reached critical instability? Azov and Right Sector led the Maidan mob and overthrew the government once already, I'm not Nostradamus for predicting what will happen if Ukraine collapses again.

For three, don't tell me people who tattoo swastikas on their body, do hitler salutes and wave nazi flags aren't nazis. Nazis are easy to spot because they really want the world to know they are Nazis. You're just telling us not to believe our lying eyes. They regularly post videos with Nazi symbols onto western media. You know, sites banned in Russia. So that whole "russian disinformation" line is even more paranoid than russiaburger


Nobody knows what you're talking about. The obscure " "foreign name" *aligned with Zelensky* is a Nazi, therefore dear IceMage, Russia is right to claim the genocide is deNazification", is not convincing to anyone here who doesn't already agree with you.

You brought this group up some months ago, citing the leader, and I pointed out how the guy recently garnered essentially no support in his election. But apparently this group you use to justify Russian propaganda is "self evidently relevant politically".

Show your work dude. You've embarrassed yourself for 6 years defending a wannabe fascist, so it's cute you've moved onto defending the real thing.

Honestly though, it's weird. You, bogie, and even ofthevoid. It's weird what Trump has done to PaRD members who I've been here with for years. This will be a phenomenon in the DSM 20 years from now, and it won't be describing those of us who oppose the tyrant.
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