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Yeah... the rest of the world learned long ago... socialism doesn't work.


Of course it does, ridiculous to say otherwise, we could make it work in my country easily, about 10 people would drop off the fortune 500.
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Of course it does, ridiculous to say otherwise, we could make it work in my country easily, about 10 people would drop off the fortune 500.





It only works in theory.


/e Or... Socialism can work some of the time, but not ALL of the time.

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The former is virulent and genocidal antisemitism representing the heart of the modern American left.


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I don't like the KKK comparison, because we're talking about a handful of losers (KKK) versus millions of people (the American hard left).
If the American right was afraid of the Proud Boy demographic (are they?), I'd consider it a fair comparison. Joe Biden is afraid of what the hard left thinks, clearly, hence the bothsideism.


I think the key crux is that on the modern American (/Western) left, it is the thought leaders who have radicalized while the rank and file has mostly gone along with it (so far). By contrast, on the modern right, it was the base which demanded a more radical course while the traditional party elites and thought leaders tried to moderate and rein them in. Which created the opening for the Trumpist intra-party revolution. But even Trump is occasionally a moderating influence, e.g. on abortion or when it comes to cutting social services.


So no, I don't think that genocidal antisemitism (or, more broadly speaking, postcolonialism) is the heart of the American left, but it is the predominant ideology of its activist class. Over the past 10-15 years, the liberal rank and file have mostly followed the lead and embraced the increasingly insane and pernicious ideology and policy - but they have pushed back on their side's top-down radicalism from time to time. The prime example is the misguided 'defund the police'-movement and how "progressive" DAs who refused to prosecute crime have already been voted out of office even in many deep blue cities. I think that the current frenzy on American colleges might go the same way, with the bulk of the base eventually rejecting them.

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I think the key crux is that on the modern American (/Western) left, it is the thought leaders who have radicalized while the rank and file has mostly gone along with it (so far). By contrast, on the modern right, it was the base which demanded a more radical course while the traditional party elites and thought leaders tried to moderate and rein them in. Which created the opening for the Trumpist intra-party revolution. But even Trump is occasionally a moderating influence, e.g. on abortion or when it comes to cutting social services.


So no, I don't think that genocidal antisemitism (or, more broadly speaking, postcolonialism) is the heart of the American left, but it is the predominant ideology of its activist class. Over the past 10-15 years, the liberal rank and file have mostly followed the lead and embraced the increasingly insane and pernicious ideology and policy - but they have pushed back on their side's top-down radicalism from time to time. The prime example is the misguided 'defund the police'-movement and how "progressive" DAs who refused to prosecute crime have already been voted out of office even in many deep blue cities. I think that the current frenzy on American colleges might go the same way, with the bulk of the base eventually rejecting them.


Perhaps we're splitting hairs at this point, but isn't that one and the same? Alongside ecowarrior environmentalism, it's at the very core of the modern left-wing movement. It is the white, college educated activists who run Democratic policy, staff the NGOs critical to the modern Democratic political machine, run the teacher unions, and make up the core of the left-wing bureaucratic state. It's certainly not the relatively moderate black and Hispanic voters who for years made up the core of the actual Democratic voter base, and it's not the white, blue-collar workers who have been fleeing the Democratic party for years. The Republican party has a far less developed NGO / activist space, which is why Trump found it so easy to seize control of the Republican party. Win the voters, and you win the party. The Democratic machine is catered to what it's activists want, because it's those same activists who make up congressional aides and staffers, who perform the NGO grunt-work on the front-lines, and which makes Democratic dominance over legacy media possible.
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Perhaps we're splitting hairs at this point, but isn't that one and the same? Alongside ecowarrior environmentalism, it's at the very core of the modern left-wing movement. It is the white, college educated activists who run Democratic policy, staff the NGOs critical to the modern Democratic political machine, run the teacher unions, and make up the core of the left-wing bureaucratic state. It's certainly not the relatively moderate black and Hispanic voters who for years made up the core of the actual Democratic voter base, and it's not the white, blue-collar workers who have been fleeing the Democratic party for years. The Republican party has a far less developed NGO / activist space, which is why Trump found it so easy to seize control of the Republican party. Win the voters, and you win the party. The Democratic machine is catered to what it's activists want, because it's those same activists who make up congressional aides and staffers, who perform the NGO grunt-work on the front-lines, and which makes Democratic dominance over legacy media possible.


I think a distinction has to be drawn between the rank and file of a political party and its activists/thought leaders. The Democratic party is not synonymous with the woke movement, this ideology is not the core reason why rank and file voters pick Democrats over Republicans. Democrats consistently do best with voters when they talk about pocketbook issues, healthcare and abortion, and when they strike a conciliatory tone. They routinely squander elections when they strike a divisive tone (Clinton 16, Obama during his midterm years). I would also argue that the defund the police stuff and their unabashed embrace of woke positions in 2020 cost them the landslide victory which was possible that year.


You are of course right that radical white left-wingers are disproportionately occupying the levers of power as well as the "force multipliers" in the pre-political space, which is a big part of the reason for the relative triumph of wokism over the past decade while the populist countermovement has struggled to keep up. That being said, this distinction might indeed become increasingly irrelevant if Democrats end up alienating large swaths of the non-white working-class. It will be interesting to see if 2024 really turns out to be the final step in the trump-era realignment of both parties along educational and class lines.

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Next level cringe.

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American student, who identifies as Muslim, speaks about his third day of hunger strike at Princeton in solidarity with Gaza.

“Assalamu alaikum…we have people constantly checking our vitals…the starvation faced by the Palestinian people- they are not as supported as we are…so we should remember them in our hearts. Inshallah.”



https://x.com/olilondontv/status/1787269572522848590?s=46

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I don't like the KKK comparison, because we're talking about a handful of losers (KKK) versus millions of people (the American hard left).

If the American right was afraid of the Proud Boy demographic (are they?), I'd consider it a fair comparison. Joe Biden is afraid of what the hard left thinks, clearly, hence the bothsideism.


have to disagree, the KKK may be thousands, but likeminded people without robes still count in the millions. KKK doesnt mean literally goes out and lynches people and burns crosses, in 2024. the KKK has evolved.

there are millions of antisemites, and millions of racist people. neither are a pushing for for mainstream policy in their party, imo. they get a few bones tossed to them each cycle, but most of what politicians listen to from center and fringe is filtered out.

i wouldnt even say Biden's fringe fear issues are a thing on the topic of antisemitism, his border policy is a far more serious example of his fringe driving real policy issues.
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"Look at me!"

there's something rather hilarious about people living in a land of freedom trying capitalize on the suffering of people across the globe
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Quote (Jupe @ May 6 2024 10:18am)
"Look at me!"

there's something rather hilarious about people living in a land of freedom trying capitalize on the suffering of people across the globe


i really hope that white SJW liberals converting to islam becomes a trend. it will cure some of their degeneracy while also long term likely liberalism islam. that's 2 israeli soldiers with 1 stone if you ask me.
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May 7 2024 09:13am
Princeton hunger strike tm complaining that the Uni admin is not taking care of their health needs :rofl:

https://x.com/thestustustudio/status/1787695236610719878


Seriously how do these people not have any friend or loved one to tell them how absolutely ridiculous they sound? If I was making a retard out of myself I'd hope the people that cared for me would make even minimal effort to help.
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