Wherever there are Jews, suffering goes up.

Jews do not care about non-Jews' death and suffering.

What's people's biggest bone to pick with Kissinger? They accuse him of having blood on his hands for supporting wars and interventions and puppet governments that cost the lives of poor people in shithole countries. Which he did cynically to support American hegemony.
What's people's actual biggest bone to pick with Kissinger? He spoke out against the Ukraine War as repeating all the mistakes and costs of imperialist intervention without actually serving our national interests.

The same people who want to denounce Kissinger as a warmonger turn around and monger war in Ukraine. And the difference is, when Kissinger did it he actually had a coherent and logical interest to serve. And when Kissinger grew old, he owned up to his mistakes and spoke out against repeating them. The people who are cheerleading the Ukraine war today, what will they be saying about it 50 years from now?

You said it yourself: he served U.S interests which easily includes: to divide and weaken Europe. Kissinger proposed Ukraine to concede territories to a guy (Putin) who openly declared that he would wait and attack again like Peter the Great...

Glad to see you're starting to understand.
Kissinger believed in a pragmatic foreign policy, his realpolitik, that served national interests even if it meant sacrificing ideals and accepting dictators and repressive regimes. It was not some blind jingoism that supported every intervention nor some weak-kneed pacifism that reflexively opposed them. Kissinger's legacy meant that while a baseline of atrocities and repression was allowed to go unchecked in the world, we avoided global conflict and established an American hegemony. Instead of the decades of total chaos and apocalyptic warfare that preceded him and the risks of nuclear annihilation, we had a pax americana and cemented our position as the only great power.

The measure of Kissinger's pragmatism is that it was opposed to bad decisions which would leave us strategically weaker or cause unnecessary bloodshed and destruction without serving our interests, or even world interests. Even if they had superficial or idealistic arguments behind them. And that's precisely why he opposed America's totally incoherent and self-defeating approach to the Ukraine war. We overthrew a stable democracy and sparked a conflict, which is something Kissinger is perfectly willing to stomach if it serves our interests, except it doesn't. We undermined ourselves, sabotaged the petrodollar, turned our allies against us, drove a deep wedge with Russia that has ended our ability to align with them against China. Kissinger is the guy who said we should overcome our militant anti-communist hate boner and open relations with China to align against the USSR, when the soviets were our only true competitors. Now China is our only competitor and we're aligning Russia with them

The point of all this is that the alternative to Kissinger's cynical pragmatism isn't some utopian idealist fantasy where we all get together and sing kumbayah. The alternative is lunacy, nero fiddling while rome burns, the country being led to its own destruction by self-defeating policies which not only cause immense destruction and repression and risk escalating to nuclear conflict, but are actively tearing apart our geopolitical hegemony. Kissinger accepted that we needed to break a few eggs to make an omelette, Obama and Biden alike went and threw the carton of eggs on the ceiling and took a shit on the floor, which is a pretty apt description of the Syrian war lmao

It's like contract killers: "someone else would have done it anyway". You don't need to make a long tirade for this. And no reason to celebrate this fucker more than another.

If anything on PARD deserves a long tirade its this.
The current strand of neoliberalism of the west, your affiliation, Obama's, Bidens- has all the willingness to sacrifice ideals and twist the rules and throw away human lives as chess pieces. The difference between it and Kissinger's realpolitik is keeping a coherent and workable national interest, that and a basic serving of competence. You can't look at American policy in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Ukraine and pretend for even a second its high minded idealism. But you can't look at the results and tell me that it served a greater good, either. America is wrapped up right now just like the cold war era in color revolutions, arming extremists, reciprocal escalation and nuclear standoffs, tolerating war criminal allies and getting a bunch of people killed. And instead of earning ourselves a peace paid for in someone else's blood, we're actively undermining our own country and spilling blood in the process.

Not sure it's wise to associate Iraq wars & climate change negationists with democrat presidents... And don't forget what Kissinger said: "we are living in a completely different era" (or something clearly like this).

But America got talents !



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The Kissinger and Nixon years. 1973. Watch. 4 Mins
Put Subtitles on, the Recording is ancient.





This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Dec 2 2023 09:50am

Just curious why you can't accept that Kissinger made hard decisions that he knew would give America huge advantages for decades?

Madeline Albright said 500,000 dead Iraqi children was worth the price?

GWB and Obama laid waste to the Middle East on some bullshit but it allowed us to secure resources, create military bases, make anyone we perceived to be a threat a terrorist and enemy of American hegemony?

We have a military industrial complex that runs laps around other militaries/countries/intelligences so that "we" "Americans" always have the advantage in any situation whether it be militarily, economically, etc.

Is it so hard to see we used the petro-dollar and federal reserve to print up a multi-trillion dollar military. I hear people say, "Wow America is 35 trillion in debt!!!"

Good luck calling us on that debt and where did most of that money go? Advanced military projects at DARPA, Multi billion dollar fighter jets, billion dollar navy battle ships, deep underground military bases, etc. etc.

I am not american, stop making movies in your head abdul

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Dec 2 2023 01:37pm