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Philosophy is very relevant to political and religious matters, so I figured I'd see if people are interested in a thread that is focused on philosophical considerations. Here's a thought I had:

If there is a belief in an afterlife, and this belief is one of an eternally peaceful afterlife, why do we desire extending our lifespan so much? This is different than a question of suicide, as suicide relates to the desire to kill ourselves immediately (or shortly). I think of it as the difference between choosing death v. adjusting your acceleration towards death. Why the adjustment? Why the desire to delay meeting paradise, God, The One, etc.?


Material pleasures are addicting. They just don't last long. Since were here for a while, most people figure "why not so long as I don't hurt anyone".

Hindu belief states that most people have one or two things that they really want to happen in this life. Once they accomplish that, their heart becomes at rest, and they can focus on spirituality instead.

I like being here, so I'm not in a rush to go. Plus telling stories to your grandkids is probably really fun.
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Material pleasures are addicting. They just don't last long. Since were here for a while, most people figure "why not so long as I don't hurt anyone".

Hindu belief states that most people have one or two things that they really want to happen in this life. Once they accomplish that, their heart becomes at rest, and they can focus on spirituality instead.

I like being here, so I'm not in a rush to go. Plus telling stories to your grandkids is probably really fun.


I'm glad you like being here, and I wish everyone felt that way. Or, rather, that the conditions of 'here' were such that people enjoyed being 'here'.

Shoutout to the Hunger Burger photo too.
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Dec 12 2023 12:33am
Philosophy should be kept separate from religion and politics. Philosophy is theoretically for the individual. We should all have individual philosophies. Religion and politics are these community systems that, in truth, devalue the idea that I just elaborated on. Religion and politics is about telling others to live a certain way. Another problem with religion and politics is the fact that it brings in hierarchical layers where certain individuals have more power or influence than others. Philosophy should dispense with such distractions in order to find truly moralistic, and individualized answers.
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Dec 12 2023 12:41am
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Philosophy should be kept separate from religion and politics. Philosophy is theoretically for the individual. We should all have individual philosophies. Religion and politics are these community systems that, in truth, devalue the idea that I just elaborated on. Religion and politics is about telling others to live a certain way. Another problem with religion and politics is the fact that it brings in hierarchical layers where certain individuals have more power or influence than others. Philosophy should dispense with such distractions in order to find truly moralistic, and individualized answers.


What is the precursor to religion and politics if not philosophy?
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What is the precursor to religion and politics if not philosophy?


You know what? you’re right. I myself am biased as I dont like religion and politics. Contemporary religion and politics are just awfully depressing these days. Philosophy is a bit more straight forward I feel: be good/kind/helpful/etc. Have some fun here and there etc. until you die

*ofc I’m over simplifying things but I hope most ppl have some kind of basic moral understanding of right and wrong that they build their other ideals around

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 27 2023 08:50pm)
Philosophy is very relevant to political and religious matters, so I figured I'd see if people are interested in a thread that is focused on philosophical considerations. Here's a thought I had:

If there is a belief in an afterlife, and this belief is one of an eternally peaceful afterlife, why do we desire extending our lifespan so much? This is different than a question of suicide, as suicide relates to the desire to kill ourselves immediately (or shortly). I think of it as the difference between choosing death v. adjusting your acceleration towards death. Why the adjustment? Why the desire to delay meeting paradise, God, The One, etc.?


Guilty conscious and the idea that the sin you carry in your heart will keep you out of Paradise and banish you to an unknown level of eternal suffering.

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Dec 12 2023 04:31am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Nov 27 2023 08:50pm)
Philosophy is very relevant to political and religious matters, so I figured I'd see if people are interested in a thread that is focused on philosophical considerations. Here's a thought I had:

If there is a belief in an afterlife, and this belief is one of an eternally peaceful afterlife, why do we desire extending our lifespan so much? This is different than a question of suicide, as suicide relates to the desire to kill ourselves immediately (or shortly). I think of it as the difference between choosing death v. adjusting your acceleration towards death. Why the adjustment? Why the desire to delay meeting paradise, God, The One, etc.?


we have business to attend to here. nowhere is it said its an easy calling
it is written though that we will have 'enough to endure the challenge.

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Guilty conscious and the idea that the sin you carry in your heart will keep you out of Paradise and banish you to an unknown level of eternal suffering.


its unrepentance that dams you
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Dec 18 2023 08:23pm
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Does that not imply that there is something unique to the Earthly experience that Heaven does not, or cannot, involve such that we want to extend our time here as much as possible?


I appreciate the topic and questions because it's making me think.

I think believing Christians can reach a point in life where they are ready for heaven(such as my very old grandfather who had already lost his wife(both faithful Catholics)). But God created us to be here on earth for a time, and this is part of our journey. Earth and the afterlife are not separate existences or realities, they are both part of our life, and our relationship with God. There's not as much separation as you think.

While the questions hint at Christians not truly believing in heaven, I think it's more of "I have a lot left to do here and I'm not sure I'm worthy of God's presence yet".
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Dec 18 2023 10:59pm
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What is the precursor to religion and politics if not philosophy?


Rereading all this crazy shit from some of the posters, I take back what I said. Religion has no place being mixed in with politics and philosophy. Facts are the focus of politics and philosophy. Facts have no place in religion. Beliefs and fairy tales don’t make the world a better place or provide any tangible benefit. Facts and real discoveries advanced humanity.
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