The fact that you are out of your depth on the history of the subject you are trying you argue as well as geopolitical significance of events that transpired should raise a question in your head that perhaps this is not a discussion you should be engaging in trying to bring in your moral high grounds here.

I disagree with you for instance because a democratically elected government was removed in 2014 by a US supported coup that destabilized the country, disenfranchised millions of Ukranian citizens and furthermore put Russian legitimate security interests (eg Sevastopol Naval base) in this region in jeopardy. This was unnecessary and undemocratic.

As mentioned I've written a solid thousand of posts in Russia/Ukraine thread on this and many other topics where I've argued at great lengths about various events and their historical significance. You are welcome to post there if this is of interest to you.

In what way did we "support" the coup in 2014 that you feel absolves Russia of responsibility for the invasion?

Probably started here below.
"In November 2002, NATO invited seven countries to join it via the MAP: Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia."

2004 : Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia they joined

2008/ 2009 was the final " plead " Croatia / Albania.... Georgia didn't because of you know what happened.

2014 is basically screw you. We will grab Crimea not directly of course as a final warning.

2022 is fuck around and find out.

So we are now waiting for the results of the winner of the Darwin Award. Will it be Putin / Russia ? or EU / NATO.

USA won't lose by the way, too far away to lose anything to be honest.

Jesus dude, did you just wake up?

You are getting extremely triggered over me just trying to understand your position.

So I'll ask again. What did we do in 2014 that you feel absolves Russia of responsibility for the invasion?

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 6 2023 12:52pm

Sounds like projection my guy.

I don't think I made you mad, I think Malopox completely destroying your ignorant opinions made you mad.

He hasn't even given a coherent argument yet and is getting triggered over very basic questions about what his position is. So it's kind of hard for him to have destroyed anything.

I've laid out my argument with dates and references to the treaties. If you are too ignorant to try to even understand my argument and are trying to pick out bits and pieces you do understand, I don't think we need to waste my time here.

This post was edited by Malopox on Oct 6 2023 12:54pm

The fact you don't understand the things he has said just shows how ignorant you are, thus my previous comment.

I will assume you are talking to me.

Where? I only see post 42 where you didn't list a single treaty or date. If you are referencing the other thread, no, I'm not going to go trawling through that. If you've already posted it then it should be easy to post again.


Hey I'm more than willing to admit I don't have a ton of specific knowledge on the subject. So if you make a well sourced argument you may well sway me. But so far you've just been getting triggered over basic questions.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Oct 6 2023 12:59pm