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Sep 28 2023 09:01am
Quote (Acuity @ 28 Sep 2023 16:05)
I understand politics is very divisive but people need to separate their political view with whatever evidence is used in these cases.

Although all of this is politically motivated doesnt mean he’s guilt free no what matter evidence they find.

Evidence is evidence. I just don’t get it.


Picture i posted is relevant; let's pickup some article explaining it:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/9/14/1885332/--The-Trump-voters-who-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-and-all-of-us-along-with-it

It goes beyond politics, it's not even an ideology, and it ignores "law or order."
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Sep 28 2023 09:06am
Quote (Acuity @ Sep 28 2023 10:51am)
So you defend him because it’s a witch hunt not because he’s innocent?

“Business fast ones”

Is a pretty unique way of describing what’s going on. Even if this is a witch hunt he’s not innocent.

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I think corruption is a problem and most of them are probably dirt bags but your political view shouldn’t be that because other dirt bags exist my dirt bag shouldn’t be punished.






Yes. Corruption is definitely a problem. But you can't compare fudging his property values, with things like the State Dept. working deals outside the US govt.
Or things like Feinstein siccing Blasey-Ford on Kavanaugh.
Or Democrats going on air and inciting to riot... etc., etc., etc.
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Sep 28 2023 09:06am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 28 2023 08:45am)
"I know he's done this stuff before, but i dont like WHY they're coming after him"

it wasnt a crime to be a communist, it was just idiotic.


Changing the law where he can be sued by a mental nut case seems a bit sketchy. A judge lying about a value of an estate while accusing Trump of lying is a bit sketchy. The only case they have him on is the obstruction of returning classified information. The rest are political which hunts brought by people that promoted their careers on “get trump”
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Sep 28 2023 09:10am
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Yes. Corruption is definitely a problem. But you can't compare fudging his property values, with things like the State Dept. working deals outside the US govt.
Or things like Feinstein siccing Blasey-Ford on Kavanaugh.
Or Democrats going on air and inciting to riot... etc., etc., etc.


You don't need to compare.
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Sep 28 2023 09:20am
Quote (Landmine @ Sep 28 2023 10:06am)
Changing the law where he can be sued by a mental nut case seems a bit sketchy. A judge lying about a value of an estate while accusing Trump of lying is a bit sketchy. The only case they have him on is the obstruction of returning classified information. The rest are political which hunts brought by people that promoted their careers on “get trump”


we all know people at this level of both govt and high society are career criminals. inside traders, fraudsters, etc. First they came for trump, then biden and his son got their turn. idc if it's a witch hunt or not, keep prosecuting any one of them and i'm on board. our govt already does almost nothing from leadership, the machine mostly runs itself. so if we can at least start putting the fear of god in them might as well.

make them careful how they declare financials for their campaigns, make them careful with classified info, dont hire your bozo kids, etc.

these individual cases may be bunk, but we both know he's got millions in fraud under his belt in New York. fuck around, find out. dont be a shitbag and this stuff doesnt happen.
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Sep 28 2023 09:23am
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You don't need to compare.





When you "don't" compare... laws become useless.

Laws must apply to ALL to be useful.
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Sep 28 2023 09:33am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 28 2023 09:20am)
we all know people at this level of both govt and high society are career criminals. inside traders, fraudsters, etc. First they came for trump, then biden and his son got their turn. idc if it's a witch hunt or not, keep prosecuting any one of them and i'm on board. our govt already does almost nothing from leadership, the machine mostly runs itself. so if we can at least start putting the fear of god in them might as well.

make them careful how they declare financials for their campaigns, make them careful with classified info, dont hire your bozo kids, etc.

these individual cases may be bunk, but we both know he's got millions in fraud under his belt in New York. fuck around, find out. dont be a shitbag and this stuff doesnt happen.


I believe it becomes trivial when it comes down to party lines. I agree if you commit a crime you should be charged. The problem is when the prosecution falls into party line also. Justice has failed when it becomes blatantly obvious the crime in hand have a political bias. That’s why these charges against Trump hold less value in a public view.
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Sep 28 2023 09:35am
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When you "don't" compare... laws become useless.

Laws must apply to ALL to be useful.


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Or things like Feinstein siccing Blasey-Ford on Kavanaugh.


1. nothing about that was a crime, at least nothing you could ever prove in court
2. if it was, and it applied to all, you'd have millions of open cases from people talking shit on facebook

you dont think through your posts very well old man, put the weed down.
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Sep 28 2023 09:37am
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I believe it becomes trivial when it comes down to party lines. I agree if you commit a crime you should be charged. The problem is when the prosecution falls into party line also. Justice has failed when it becomes blatantly obvious the crime in hand have a political bias. That’s why these charges against Trump hold less value in a public view.


i agree, but we dont have any real solution. the courts already ruled it will remain this way in 2016 via Bernie Sanders vs DNC. they admitted the DNC rigged the election against him, but also said they're a private club so they're allowed to. basically ruling that both the DNC and GOP, who run every aspect of this nation from sea to sea, are subject to the same rules as a golf club. there is no way out, sadly.
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Sep 28 2023 09:51am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 28 2023 10:20am)
we all know people at this level of both govt and high society are career criminals. inside traders, fraudsters, etc. First they came for trump, then biden and his son got their turn. idc if it's a witch hunt or not, keep prosecuting any one of them and i'm on board. our govt already does almost nothing from leadership, the machine mostly runs itself. so if we can at least start putting the fear of god in them might as well.

make them careful how they declare financials for their campaigns, make them careful with classified info, dont hire your bozo kids, etc.

these individual cases may be bunk, but we both know he's got millions in fraud under his belt in New York. fuck around, find out. dont be a shitbag and this stuff doesnt happen.


Consider that Donald Trump has half the country gunning for him with such a hate boner that they're willing to shred the law and pull out all the stops to latch onto ANYTHING against him. With unlimited resources to dig into his past, all his business dealings, tax filings, etc. And the fruit of those searches has been-


- Accusing Trump of colluding with Russia, only to discover that he did not in any way shape or form, but several of his opponents actually did in several shapes and forms, ya know, taking bribes from oligarchs and buying fake opposition research from the Kremlin
- Impeaching Trump for saying Zelensky should look into whether Hunter Biden did anything illegal in Ukraine, after which we learned Hunter Biden absolutely did all kinds of illegal stuff in Ukraine, but Zelensky was a puppet for the DNC so he was just talking to his domestic political opponents lmao
- A hush money charge in new york that completely inverts the FEC precedent and criminalizes all behavior by every politician in a catch 22
- Charges for holding classified documents even though so did every other president, including multiple for Biden, just because Trump waved some irrelevant document around to criticize Mark Milley for his strategic incompetency
- Trying to lock up Trump for merely existing adjacent to the January 6th riot, in which he didn't even do anything but tell people to go home- at both the federal level and georgia 'for telling people to validate the election'
- Accusing Trump of raping a withered old batshit insane and hideously ugly woman who spent her entire life as an outspoken feminist firebrand but magically only came up with a rape story when went on a book tour (that mirrors 1:1 an old episode of Law and Order). Contemporaneous with Trump banging a laundry list of supermodels who all repeatedly vouched for him being a gentleman
- Accusing Trump of inflating his assets by pointing out examples of Trump very provably not inflating his assets, by comparing the incomparable property value and assessed values in florida


The point being, if you can give this man a prostate exam and the biggest polyp of actual misconduct you turn up is that he waved around papers that he has the plenary power to declassify, just to make a point about how a liberal general was actually incompetently leading America into wars that would get hundreds of thousands of people killed, and Trump was the only voice of reason holding us back- uh, that's not exactly damning. In a sane society, we wouldn't try to dig for scraps of dirt on political opponents, we'd oppose their policies in a vigorous and civilized discourse. But spending 7 years digging into Trump's rectum they've turned up basically nothing. Maybe there's less there than you'd assume given his fat ass
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