Quote (MadMardi @ Sep 21 2023 03:22pm)
Essentially you believe by the time the child is ready for school (kindergarten, we've been discussing 3-4-5 year olds) that they should be opposing any teachers regiment that is pushed on them that wasn't established in your home.
You think a 3, 4 or 5 year old is at the point in their life to be a "critical thinker" and oppose anything the teacher pushes on them that was taught the opposite at home?
I'm not teaching my 3, 4 or 5 year old about any SOGI programs or transgenders/LGBT. It would be an entirely new premise/concept to them, introduced at school at an inappropriate age.
You think you've established your argument?
I don't think so at all.
who's been discussing 3-5 year olds? not me. i dont agree with complex gender discussions with kids in that age range, at all.
Quote (SBD @ Sep 21 2023 04:09pm)
Completely disagree here. Between school and the sports every night nearly the amount of time with mom and dad for a lot of kids is vastly less than time spent with teachers. They're painting the canvas. This isn't the times of one working parent. We have had a huge rise in dual working parents, full time. That means both working to 5 on average or later, kid has extra circular activities and a bedtime of 8:30 or so, you do not spend that much time with them.
Don't get me wrong you still hold probably the most influence over your kid but a child is a sponge, they will be anything you want them to be if that garners them attention, and if you have some person preaching you can be a fuckin dinosaur then they're going to be a dinosaur if it gives them positive attention at a place they spend most of their time.
most kids are academically set on a track by age 5 they'll never deviate from. that's the hard truth iPad parents mostly wont confront. most of the brain programming we receive in our whole life happens then, because we're not critical thinkers, we're sponges at that age.
and sure time spent is more, but i think i had one single teacher ever that i looked to as a mentor. the rest were authority figures. if teachers had sway why have anti bullying, DARE, etc programs been so ineffective?
overall it do laugh at the pushback i get, as if im advocating for aggressively ideological teachers, i'm not. i'm simply stating that most of the people against this aren't doing much better, it's ideologues vs ideologues. these are the conservative religious parents that send kids off to college and they come back dread wearing hippies because they grew up repressed. most teachers are too lazy to even do a good job at basic math, but at the same time we're worried they psy-op kids into turning trans? somehow in a generation trans people will go from being viewed as "ick" to "omg i want to be that". plz.
Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 21 2023 06:44pm)
Apply this to the first amendment. "So what if the government controls the press? We're all critical thinkers after all!"
It doesn't have a place in public schools. The role of a teacher is not to be a life coach.
most of this i'd assume on a 1 to 1 basis is done by counselors. if teachers are singling kids out to explore their gender identity i agree, that's wrong. and if it forced by counselors, i agree that's wrong.
"teach your kids to be critical thinkers" has never gotten so much pushback lol.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Sep 22 2023 06:41am