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Sep 21 2023 05:44pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 21 2023 11:05am)
parents are without even a shadow of a doubt the worst part about teaching. they are the bane of a teacher's existence, and far more problematic than even dumb govt. driven curriculum.

as to your kids being indoctrinated, its not something a good parent should worry about. dont send your kid to school a blank canvas and no one will be able to paint it a rainbow wearing furry.


Apply this to the first amendment. "So what if the government controls the press? We're all critical thinkers after all!"

It doesn't have a place in public schools. The role of a teacher is not to be a life coach.
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Most parents I know have absolutely no clue about whats best for their children
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Quote (MadMardi @ Sep 21 2023 03:22pm)
Essentially you believe by the time the child is ready for school (kindergarten, we've been discussing 3-4-5 year olds) that they should be opposing any teachers regiment that is pushed on them that wasn't established in your home.
You think a 3, 4 or 5 year old is at the point in their life to be a "critical thinker" and oppose anything the teacher pushes on them that was taught the opposite at home?
I'm not teaching my 3, 4 or 5 year old about any SOGI programs or transgenders/LGBT. It would be an entirely new premise/concept to them, introduced at school at an inappropriate age.
You think you've established your argument?
I don't think so at all.


who's been discussing 3-5 year olds? not me. i dont agree with complex gender discussions with kids in that age range, at all.

Quote (SBD @ Sep 21 2023 04:09pm)
Completely disagree here. Between school and the sports every night nearly the amount of time with mom and dad for a lot of kids is vastly less than time spent with teachers. They're painting the canvas. This isn't the times of one working parent. We have had a huge rise in dual working parents, full time. That means both working to 5 on average or later, kid has extra circular activities and a bedtime of 8:30 or so, you do not spend that much time with them.

Don't get me wrong you still hold probably the most influence over your kid but a child is a sponge, they will be anything you want them to be if that garners them attention, and if you have some person preaching you can be a fuckin dinosaur then they're going to be a dinosaur if it gives them positive attention at a place they spend most of their time.


most kids are academically set on a track by age 5 they'll never deviate from. that's the hard truth iPad parents mostly wont confront. most of the brain programming we receive in our whole life happens then, because we're not critical thinkers, we're sponges at that age.

and sure time spent is more, but i think i had one single teacher ever that i looked to as a mentor. the rest were authority figures. if teachers had sway why have anti bullying, DARE, etc programs been so ineffective?

overall it do laugh at the pushback i get, as if im advocating for aggressively ideological teachers, i'm not. i'm simply stating that most of the people against this aren't doing much better, it's ideologues vs ideologues. these are the conservative religious parents that send kids off to college and they come back dread wearing hippies because they grew up repressed. most teachers are too lazy to even do a good job at basic math, but at the same time we're worried they psy-op kids into turning trans? somehow in a generation trans people will go from being viewed as "ick" to "omg i want to be that". plz.

Quote (bogie160 @ Sep 21 2023 06:44pm)
Apply this to the first amendment. "So what if the government controls the press? We're all critical thinkers after all!"

It doesn't have a place in public schools. The role of a teacher is not to be a life coach.


most of this i'd assume on a 1 to 1 basis is done by counselors. if teachers are singling kids out to explore their gender identity i agree, that's wrong. and if it forced by counselors, i agree that's wrong.


"teach your kids to be critical thinkers" has never gotten so much pushback lol.

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but at the same time we're worried they psy-op kids into turning trans? somehow in a generation trans people will go from being viewed as "ick" to "omg i want to be that". plz.
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Correct. Teachers are amazing zogbots so they will happily push any government sponsored agenda down kids throats because they love having that kind of authority over people. Kids are now identifying as lgtbq (mentally ill) because it's being promoted by teachers as something to aspire to when they are young.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 22 2023 09:36am)
who's been discussing 3-5 year olds? not me. i dont agree with complex gender discussions with kids in that age range, at all.



most kids are academically set on a track by age 5 they'll never deviate from. that's the hard truth iPad parents mostly wont confront. most of the brain programming we receive in our whole life happens then, because we're not critical thinkers, we're sponges at that age.

and sure time spent is more, but i think i had one single teacher ever that i looked to as a mentor. the rest were authority figures. if teachers had sway why have anti bullying, DARE, etc programs been so ineffective?

overall it do laugh at the pushback i get, as if im advocating for aggressively ideological teachers, i'm not. i'm simply stating that most of the people against this aren't doing much better, it's ideologues vs ideologues. these are the conservative religious parents that send kids off to college and they come back dread wearing hippies because they grew up repressed. most teachers are too lazy to even do a good job at basic math, but at the same time we're worried they psy-op kids into turning trans? somehow in a generation trans people will go from being viewed as "ick" to "omg i want to be that". plz.



most of this i'd assume on a 1 to 1 basis is done by counselors. if teachers are singling kids out to explore their gender identity i agree, that's wrong. and if it forced by counselors, i agree that's wrong.


"teach your kids to be critical thinkers" has never gotten so much pushback lol.



Just because you saw 1 teacher as a role model does not mean that's the case for the majority. I bet if you canvased kids it would be 70% + see their teachers as their mentors. Anti bullying, DARE , etc does not get you positive attention, have you spent any time with kids? Try taking dry ass content that garnishes them nothing positive for attention and see how long their attention span is. Take something and reward them for doing something and you have them hooked asking for it again, again.

We're in a new world. The high-school all my family go to now has evening Tik Tok classes. I shit you not and the garbage that comes home is horrendous. Then naturally you have to the bad guy breaking their positive feedback loop they're getting from school and tell them that this is retarded and you wont be filming them slapping each other in the face with a tortilla so they can garner views and that they should be doing thier math homework because they can't do simple math when working a canteen.

I hate this world.

-Ramblings of a 30 year old boomer.

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Just because you saw 1 teacher as a role model does not mean that's the case for the majority. I bet if you canvased kids it would be 70% + see their teachers as their mentors. Anti bullying, DARE , etc does not get you positive attention, have you spent any time with kids? Try taking dry ass content that garnishes them nothing positive for attention and see how long their attention span is. Take something and reward them for doing something and you have them hooked asking for it again, again.

We're in a new world. The high-school all my family go to now has evening Tik Tok classes. I shit you not and the garbage that comes home is horrendous. Then naturally you have to the bad guy breaking their positive feedback loop they're getting from school and tell them that this is retarded and you wont be filming them slapping each other in the face with a tortilla so they can garner views and that they should be doing thier math homework because they can't do simple math when working a canteen.

I hate this world.

-Ramblings of a 30 year old boomer.


in regards to tik tok classes vs math, and the west wonders why our math scores have been declining for 20 years.

e; also, if you ask gen z or current kids what they want to be when they grow up - their answer is social media influencer. they dont realize that if nobody creates the items they want to influence, there is not going to be anything to influence.

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in regards to tik tok classes vs math, and the west wonders why our math scores have been declining for 20 years.

e; also, if you ask gen z or current kids what they want to be when they grow up - their answer is social media influencer. they dont realize that if nobody creates the items they want to influence, there is not going to be anything to influence.


I realize there's a shift in what's applicable given the resources we have at hand now, computer programs, readily available instruments on hand at all times with cell phones being able to virtually do anything since they have a data connection or apps that can outperform a T85 in a heartbeat.

Obviously, teaching does have to adjust for such things if you're making a child's education applicable for the real world now and admittedly I, like many other 30 year old boomers still perceive the old way of being superior. Likely isn't though, given most 20-year-old kids now can out productivity me in Excel, but their critical thinking seems to be lacking severely.


I used to take pride in being in the top few when doing the daily mad minute math sessions that every single class started with. Now if I don't pay by debit or credit at the till and they don't have a computer to tell them change i'm standing there blinking my eyes waiting for them to figure it out. Give them an extra dollar or two dollars so they can give you a 5 dollar bill back and change rather than two toonies and change and watch their eyes cross because it no longer matches the change the computer says to give. But these days will be soon gone as we move cashless so its a moot point and really its just boomer ramblings.

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Just because you saw 1 teacher as a role model does not mean that's the case for the majority. I bet if you canvased kids it would be 70% + see their teachers as their mentors. Anti bullying, DARE , etc does not get you positive attention, have you spent any time with kids? Try taking dry ass content that garnishes them nothing positive for attention and see how long their attention span is. Take something and reward them for doing something and you have them hooked asking for it again, again.

We're in a new world. The high-school all my family go to now has evening Tik Tok classes. I shit you not and the garbage that comes home is horrendous. Then naturally you have to the bad guy breaking their positive feedback loop they're getting from school and tell them that this is retarded and you wont be filming them slapping each other in the face with a tortilla so they can garner views and that they should be doing thier math homework because they can't do simple math when working a canteen.

I hate this world.

-Ramblings of a 30 year old boomer.


tik tok is cool, how cool is it to tell you class you're actually a girl and will start hormones then get your peepee cut off?

the hurdle for these issues is the trans stuff, not necessarily homosexuality. we can and should create a society where being gay has far less stigma. but many have tried, and failed miserably, to allow trans people the same level of acceptance. trans people are and will remain societal outcasts.
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Quote (zorzin @ 22 Sep 2023 14:57)
Correct. Teachers are amazing zogbots so they will happily push any government sponsored agenda down kids throats because they love having that kind of authority over people. Kids are now identifying as lgtbq (mentally ill) because it's being promoted by teachers as something to aspire to when they are young.

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