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Sep 11 2023 07:45pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 9 2023 03:23pm)
Biden the person might be superior to Trump the person, but he can still make for the worse president if his policies are inferior to Trump's to a sufficient degree. So far, the Biden presidency has been an unmitigated disaster. What's even worse is that neither Biden nor the DNC operatives who are actually running the administration are showing any signs of correcting course.

I, for my part, do NOT want Trump to become president again - but if I had to choose, I'd easily prefer a 2nd Trump term to a 2nd Biden term.


Yeah, I'm really not sure how people can conclude that Biden's presidency has been a disaster.

For instance, Bogie's list is filled with a ton of right-wing, delusional talking points. Those aren't measured, serious criticisms. It's a summary of Fox News segments. The law hasn't been weaponized by Biden... actually it was Trump's former DOJ officials involved in his coup attempt. Holding Trump and his conspirators accountable is the American rule of law in action. I seem to recall the border being a story with Trump in office... seems like his fake wall and policies didn't solve the issue. The left criticizes Biden for not abandoning Trump's policies. Crime rose under Trump, it's a consequence of something beyond the politics of Trump vs Biden. I guess wasted spending matters to Bogie now... and I'm not going to defend the spending of any recent administration. Though Biden chose to get infrastructure done with enough Republicans supporting that, and it seems to me something a right-winger who has embraced populism/nationalism, and abandoned fiscal conservatism, could support.

The point is... all of these criticisms of Biden, some legitimate, some not, some somewhere in between, are not a legitimate reason to pretend the guy who attempted a coup(and has explicitly called for terminating the constitution) is not substantially worse. And that's basically Bill Maher's point. There's no both-sidesism here that makes any sense.

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Sep 11 2023 10:01pm
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No, "traditional American foreign policy" doesn't mean "everything bad that happened in the world where America had some involvement". Cause then we would forget the success that policy has had, which far surpasses the downsides. The post-WW2 world order that America has maintained, and fought for, and continues to fight for, is what I'm talking about. Misadventures and mistakes don't show how the policy hasn't worked, it shows how people like George W Bush didn't follow it. And there are situations where America made the right call to go in but we had a bad outcome(like Libya, IMO).

Traditional American foreign policy means some measure of stability, with support(and collaboration) from allies. It's not the sort of sporadic, spitting in the face of allies, *pretending to be doing madman theory but the president is actually a madman*.

Honestly, I wasn't even intending to get into a great foreign policy debate, my post was intending to mean that Biden acts as an American leader who isn't batshit crazy on the world stage, and who seems to have some coherent policy he is following.


What matters is whether or not that "coherent policy" advances our national interest. And within that policy, whether or not it is effectively executed. Championing pride in Afghanistan didn't play too well. Demanding "pariah state" status for a global energy hub worked just about as well as you would expect. Turning the Russo-Ukrainian war into a moral death struggle between democracy and autocracy has every authoritarian state looking at us side-eyed.

This is less about the particulars of any one policy decision. You say that having a guy who mumbles some vaguely familiar niceties is good for our foreign policy. But if it doesn't advance our national interest, why?

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Sep 11 2023 10:11pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 11 2023 06:45pm)
Yeah, I'm really not sure how people can conclude that Biden's presidency has been a disaster.

For instance, Bogie's list is filled with a ton of right-wing, delusional talking points. Those aren't measured, serious criticisms. It's a summary of Fox News segments. The law hasn't been weaponized by Biden... actually it was Trump's former DOJ officials involved in his coup attempt. Holding Trump and his conspirators accountable is the American rule of law in action. I seem to recall the border being a story with Trump in office... seems like his fake wall and policies didn't solve the issue. The left criticizes Biden for not abandoning Trump's policies. Crime rose under Trump, it's a consequence of something beyond the politics of Trump vs Biden. I guess wasted spending matters to Bogie now... and I'm not going to defend the spending of any recent administration. Though Biden chose to get infrastructure done with enough Republicans supporting that, and it seems to me something a right-winger who has embraced populism/nationalism, and abandoned fiscal conservatism, could support.

The point is... all of these criticisms of Biden, some legitimate, some not, some somewhere in between, are not a legitimate reason to pretend the guy who attempted a coup(and has explicitly called for terminating the constitution) is not substantially worse. And that's basically Bill Maher's point. There's no both-sidesism here that makes any sense.


The argument that they hate Trump because he "attempted a coup" (Which was a completely unarmed peaceful protest, with very few violent agitators) is completely invalid because they held the same hatred for him BEFORE the protest on January 6.

On your first sentence: The emperor has no clothes, and you're here saying how majestic and regal his clothes are. Do not trust the evidence of your eyes and ears... or gas prices, housing prices, food prices, just ignore those too

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Yeah, I'm really not sure how people can conclude that Biden's presidency has been a disaster.

For instance, Bogie's list is filled with a ton of right-wing, delusional talking points. Those aren't measured, serious criticisms. It's a summary of Fox News segments. The law hasn't been weaponized by Biden... actually it was Trump's former DOJ officials involved in his coup attempt. Holding Trump and his conspirators accountable is the American rule of law in action. I seem to recall the border being a story with Trump in office... seems like his fake wall and policies didn't solve the issue. The left criticizes Biden for not abandoning Trump's policies. Crime rose under Trump, it's a consequence of something beyond the politics of Trump vs Biden. I guess wasted spending matters to Bogie now... and I'm not going to defend the spending of any recent administration. Though Biden chose to get infrastructure done with enough Republicans supporting that, and it seems to me something a right-winger who has embraced populism/nationalism, and abandoned fiscal conservatism, could support.

The point is... all of these criticisms of Biden, some legitimate, some not, some somewhere in between, are not a legitimate reason to pretend the guy who attempted a coup(and has explicitly called for terminating the constitution) is not substantially worse. And that's basically Bill Maher's point. There's no both-sidesism here that makes any sense.


It seems like your Libya example you keep putting the emphasis on these policies somehow being the "right idea" even if we know with hindsight how they imploded catastrophically- and predictably. Is Obama a good leader for his support of the Arab Spring, despite the outcomes? The same vein is followed with Biden. He talked a big talk on Covid, then he dropped our protective measures at the most self serving of moments, and we've already had far more deaths on his watch and we're completely vulnerable to the next wave. He let Afghanistan collapse while asleep at the wheel. He waffled when Putin threatened Ukraine and failed to make a show of force when it could avert conflict, then escalated force for years now only when its leading to our failure and compromising our national interests. Should I care about his intentions or your perception? What matters is results.

It didn't take hindsight to see Bidens policies being bad. Its unfathomable to me that after Afghanistan 1/2, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc etc that nobody could see the danger in a protracted proxy war with no feasible win condition, let alone all the geopolitical harm it could (and is) doing to us.
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probably the funniest thing ive seen on pard in a long time, well done.

dont worry all the paid shills are firing up their type writers on that one.

jb said aliens are here talking to kids thanks to the vaccination:


any1 who disagrees w/ JB or the white house is an enemy of the state, believe what he says or else.

no dressing that word salad, eat it...phonies.

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