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Apr 25 2023 02:51pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 25 2023 01:22pm)
you joke, but scripture pretty clearly calls for women to bear as many kids as they can, for god. a tale as old as mankind, we must outbreed our enemies, for the glory of god.

can you imagine living in a tribal society, the women sit around a campfire all day, they're all 100% synced up on their mentrual cycles, which by extension means they're all ovulating at the same time. the whole village knows it. all of the men collectively grow tense realizing 50 or so women are about to menstruate and get really mad, then 3 days after its all over they're all randy and demanding to be impregnated. all the dudes just wake up that morning and have a high five party.


Oh yes, I can imagine that very clearly. Very relatable.
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Quote (Theology @ Apr 25 2023 01:15pm)
If she can abort it can I at least abandon it?


yes, my body my choice!
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birth control precedes Christianity. but if you point this out theists chalk that up to humans being immoral heathens before Jesus saved us.

the venn diagram between people concerned about the rise of minority percent of the population and people who are pro life is so oddly overlapped. they'll weave between scared the white race is going to lose it's majority, and forcing minorities to give birth to raucous cheers. so odd.


Iirc, many "racially conservative" white folks back in the 60s and early 70s initially supported abortion for this very reason: they thought that it would lead to a disproportionate reduction in negro births. Republican strategists then discovered the untapped political potential of the pro-life movement and used it to great success since the 70s.

From a political point of view, Republicans made a faustian bargain by embracing a clear-cut minority position ("abortion should be inaccessible in all but the most rare and tragic cases") which riled up a small but extremely energized segment of the electorate and turned them into reliable base voters. This was a winning strategy as long as Roe made sure that they didn't actually have to put money where their mouth is. Since Dobbs overturned Roe, this previous strategy is in the process of blowing up in their face.

They are now forced to either enact rigorous anti-abortion policies which make their limited, but very rabid pro-life base happy, but are deeply underwater with the voting public at-large, or do nothing and risk pissing off a crucial and often times single-issue pillar of their electoral coalition. Abortion contributed heavily to the very disappointing midterms for the GOP, and it will sink them in 2024 again if they don't find a way to handle this self-inflicted wound.

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If she can abort it can I at least abandon it?


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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 25 2023 03:51pm)
Oh yes, I can imagine that very clearly. Very relatable.


imagine that Cats is coming to a live stage show near you, and all of the fellas are very excited. its like that, i think.
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Quote (Ghot @ Apr 25 2023 08:10am)
I made it to 66 yrs. old and managed not to get anyone preggers, and still had fun, so I know it's doable.
Just takes a bit of self control, on both sides of the gender aisle.


its easy to make it to 66 years old and not have a kid when you've never had sex before. thats how virginity works ,boomer

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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 25 2023 01:53pm)
public polls on the Pill always defied the church's stance, even among church goers. all of the catholic girls i knew were on the pill.

my dad even went to a catholic school k-12 and they taught the rhythm method in sex ed. abstinence is the stated preference, but they've never been naïve enough to deny premarital sex exists.

Catholics, above all other sects ive interacted with, defy their own church's teachings more than any other. its just a massive pack of judgey hypocrites.


Point is just that the conservative undercurrent that wants to ban no-fault divorce and birth control has always existed and has never been so small that it's been negligable.

The ideological pro-lifers aren't being forced into anything. They've largely always been that way.

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Point is just that the conservative undercurrent that wants to ban no-fault divorce and birth control has always existed and has never been so small that it's been negligable.

The ideological pro-lifers aren't being forced into anything. They've largely always been that way.


while that's for sure true in a lot of ways, the same people on soap boxes calling the pill immoral were getting their daughters scripts for them "to make their periods easier". and they knew, that may be the excuse but it was baby insurance too.

if someone tells me they're against something they themselves do i dont take their disagreement with that thing very seriously.

divorce is a stronger point, imo, as most churches that are even remotely conservative revoke membership after a divorce. that's a serious hardline issue they're consistent on.
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while that's for sure true in a lot of ways, the same people on soap boxes calling the pill immoral were getting their daughters scripts for them "to make their periods easier". and they knew, that may be the excuse but it was baby insurance too.

if someone tells me they're against something they themselves do i dont take their disagreement with that thing very seriously.

divorce is a stronger point, imo, as most churches that are even remotely conservative revoke membership after a divorce. that's a serious hardline issue they're consistent on.


Same with pastors getting their daughters abortions lol

Funny thing is a lot of those churches you can get an abortion and be forgiven but divorce is a hard line :huh:

Which is why I fuckin hate baptists.
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