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Apr 21 2023 12:26pm
Quote (Pyrotechx @ Apr 21 2023 12:19pm)
Now lets look at the other 162 mass shootings that have happened in 2023 so far. More than 60% are related to trump support in 2022.

Repubs live in blissful ignorance.

https://i.imgur.com/LWnc0Vg.png



Who decides what is categorized as “extremist”?

I can 100% guarantee bet my life that the Nashville shooting was spared the “extremist” tag.

I have not heard one single example of somebody committing mass murder in the name of (lol) Donald trump once. That would be headline news for months on end.

Be real dude. I understand this is the internet where you can say anything you want and afterwards simply ignore the fact that you are saying nonsense but come on…
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Apr 21 2023 12:55pm
Quote (Pyrotechx @ Apr 21 2023 12:19pm)
Now lets look at the other 162 mass shootings that have happened in 2023 so far. More than 60% are related to trump support in 2022.

Repubs live in blissful ignorance.

https://i.imgur.com/LWnc0Vg.png


Your source claims that "all of the 25 extremist-related murders of 2022 were linked to right-wing extremists"
On May 15th, 2022, David Wenwei Chou killed 1 in a hate crime targeting Taiwanese people because he was pro-China and anti-Taiwan. This was not related to "right-wing extremism" or in fact any domestic political divide, it was foreign-motivated political violence with no left/right affiliation in the US. If you tried to force a left/right classification onto it, then it would wind up being left-wing violence because it was aligned with Communist China.
In August of 2022, black nationalist Carl Roy Webb Boards II murdered a police officer. He was a member of the Black Hebrew Israelites, a far-left black identity extremist group already involved in multiple other terrorist attacks, notably the New Jersey kosher deli attack. In the left/right divide, they are clearly and provably aligned with the left, they exist only among populations that vote exclusively for democrats- left/right is a political affiliation, not an ideology, that's how muslim activists wound up being aligned with the left despite being socially regressive.



I've given two counter examples, clearly your source is wrong. If your source was the ADL then we already knew they were wrong because Jonathan Greenblatt is a shifty jew

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 21 2023 12:56pm
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Apr 21 2023 01:08pm
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Your source claims that "all of the 25 extremist-related murders of 2022 were linked to right-wing extremists"
On May 15th, 2022, David Wenwei Chou killed 1 in a hate crime targeting Taiwanese people because he was pro-China and anti-Taiwan. This was not related to "right-wing extremism" or in fact any domestic political divide, it was foreign-motivated political violence with no left/right affiliation in the US. If you tried to force a left/right classification onto it, then it would wind up being left-wing violence because it was aligned with Communist China.
In August of 2022, black nationalist Carl Roy Webb Boards II murdered a police officer. He was a member of the Black Hebrew Israelites, a far-left black identity extremist group already involved in multiple other terrorist attacks, notably the New Jersey kosher deli attack. In the left/right divide, they are clearly and provably aligned with the left, they exist only among populations that vote exclusively for democrats- left/right is a political affiliation, not an ideology, that's how muslim activists wound up being aligned with the left despite being socially regressive.

https://i.imgur.com/xRP3euu.png

I've given two counter examples, clearly your source is wrong. If your source was the ADL then we already knew they were wrong because Jonathan Greenblatt is a shifty jew


I am trying to find the source of the numbers, but here is the link: https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-killings-extremism-adl-report-2022 (edit - it is ADL, but just because you disagree with someone being a "shifty jew" and have not actually done any additional research on the data, that is just ignorance).

Although you do give two examples, it is quite literally FACTUAL information that the majority of extremist murders are right-wing: https://www.statista.com/statistics/984893/share-domestic-extremist-related-killings-perpetrator-affiliation-us/

Edit - And if ADL is SO wrong, how come there is no alternative data that counters theirs? If it is so easily disproven, why not do it?

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Apr 21 2023 01:43pm
Quote (Pyrotechx @ Apr 21 2023 02:08pm)
I am trying to find the source of the numbers, but here is the link: https://www.axios.com/2023/02/23/mass-killings-extremism-adl-report-2022 (edit - it is ADL, but just because you disagree with someone being a "shifty jew" and have not actually done any additional research on the data, that is just ignorance).

Although you do give two examples, it is quite literally FACTUAL information that the majority of extremist murders are right-wing: https://www.statista.com/statistics/984893/share-domestic-extremist-related-killings-perpetrator-affiliation-us/

Edit - And if ADL is SO wrong, how come there is no alternative data that counters theirs? If it is so easily disproven, why not do it?


The ADLs entire schtick is that they classify left wing terrorism as right wing terrorism, and non-terrorist attacks as terrorism. Go look through their data. Some redneck was a member of the aryan brotherhood in prison. Years later he kills his wife in a domestic dispute after catching her cheating. ADL calls it a right wing terror attack. Despite zero political motive. Then a left wing black nationalist terrorist in a far left district goes out an murders jews and police officers while screaming about fighting the white supremacist power. The ADL calls it right wing terrorism. Thats the whole basis for the ADLs HEAT map. Click on any random data point and its bogus
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Apr 21 2023 02:34pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2023 12:43pm)
The ADLs entire schtick is that they classify left wing terrorism as right wing terrorism, and non-terrorist attacks as terrorism. Go look through their data. Some redneck was a member of the aryan brotherhood in prison. Years later he kills his wife in a domestic dispute after catching her cheating. ADL calls it a right wing terror attack. Despite zero political motive. Then a left wing black nationalist terrorist in a far left district goes out an murders jews and police officers while screaming about fighting the white supremacist power. The ADL calls it right wing terrorism. Thats the whole basis for the ADLs HEAT map. Click on any random data point and its bogus


do you have anything to back this up? if not then cut the conservative rhetoric
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Apr 21 2023 02:44pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 21 2023 11:55am)
Your source claims that "all of the 25 extremist-related murders of 2022 were linked to right-wing extremists"
On May 15th, 2022, David Wenwei Chou killed 1 in a hate crime targeting Taiwanese people because he was pro-China and anti-Taiwan. This was not related to "right-wing extremism" or in fact any domestic political divide, it was foreign-motivated political violence with no left/right affiliation in the US. If you tried to force a left/right classification onto it, then it would wind up being left-wing violence because it was aligned with Communist China.
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China is a center-right authoritarian populist regime, theyre "communist" in the same way that Nazis were "socialists", in name only

This post was edited by gnarjay on Apr 21 2023 02:44pm
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Apr 22 2023 12:59am
Quote (gnarjay @ Apr 21 2023 03:34pm)
do you have anything to back this up? if not then cut the conservative rhetoric


>goomshill posts evidence
>gnarjay asks goomshill to post evidence

???

Quote (gnarjay @ Apr 21 2023 03:44pm)
China is a center-right authoritarian populist regime, theyre "communist" in the same way that Nazis were "socialists", in name only


Again, as I said, left/right political affiliations in the US are absolutely not ideological, but rather political affiliations which have entrenched themselves and often have conflicting and mutually exclusive ideologies. This is why big government warhawk corporatists and libertarian isolationist union workers can both be republicans. And its why socially regressive muslims who think gays should be thrown off roofs are allied with transgender activists. The black identity nationalists are an obvious example of left-wing terrorists who have many views opposed to centrist neoliberals, but they're clearly aligned with left, not right- all their representatives are democrats, their hotbeds of activity vote uniformly democrat, the democrats dog whistle to them or just openly meet with them like ellison does.

Well, one party in the US is in bed with the chinese (rather literally in the case of Swalwell) and one is hostile to them. The democrats want "free trade" with China, the republicans want trade war.
And as I said, when it comes to Taiwan both parties are pretty stark in their opposition to China, which is what makes an anti-Taiwanese hate crime effectively left/right agnostic. It doesn't align with democrats or republicans to any degree. Instead it was some crazed nutter who brought foreign political motive into an american theater.
So it doesn't really make sense to call it either left or right wing extremism. But if you're going to force it to one side, its closer aligned to left. But the ADL went and nonsensically calls it right-wing extremism
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Apr 22 2023 01:11am
Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Apr 2023 08:59)
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socially regressive muslims who think gays should be thrown off roofs are allied with transgender activists.
The black identity nationalists are an obvious example of left-wing terrorists
Well, one party in the US is in bed with the chinese (rather literally in the case of Swalwell) and one is hostile to them. The democrats want "free trade" with China, the republicans want trade war.


Sounds like Goomshill "colorized version" to me.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/497093-republicans-blasting-china-forget-that-the-gop-enabled-beijings/

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Apr 22 2023 03:59am
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Yes prior to 2016 both the GOP and DNC were in China's pocket on trade. Trump seized control of the party and made it anti-China. Neoliberal third way democrats and RINOs have pretty indistinguishable policies, but comparing George Bush to Donald Trump at this point is a bit like comparing Franklin Pierce to Barack Obama
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Apr 22 2023 04:09am
Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Apr 2023 09:59)
Yes prior to 2016 both the GOP and DNC were in China's pocket on trade. Trump seized control of the party and made it anti-China. Neoliberal third way democrats and RINOs have pretty indistinguishable policies, but comparing George Bush to Donald Trump at this point is a bit like comparing Franklin Pierce to Barack Obama


hhh you read the article:

A whopping 75 percent of House Republicans voted in favor of shipping American jobs to China. Democrats, wary of the myriad economic, environmental and labor repercussions of normalizing trade with China, rebuked a “centrist” president and voted against the measure by a two-to-three margin.

I would have the point of a neutral american. But "in the bed" seems incorrect to me, and i think your democrats are more skilled and better strategists.
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