concession isn't in reality important if a transition team is allowed to begin transitioning.

like so many things around the presidency the importance is ceremonial.

up until this point the inability for Biden to transition has been a serious problem of sorts, or at least for the past several weeks. Now it no longer is.

Trump's inability to admit defeat, and even his loose undetailed allegations of election fraud may be fodder for many a book, but it is the actual office handlings that matter.

Manufacturing conspiracy theories in order to convince half the country that the election was stolen, and using that leverage to pressure state officials to not certify the results, or to have legislatures appoint their own electors, is attempting to steal the election.

It's going to fail, but it was attempted.

Things like this don't bother the "nothing matters" coalition... but some of us Americans care about our democracy.

Yeah I agree that the details of a concession aren't necessarily important, as long as he lets things progress I don't really care that much, although his insistence on delaying has been a national embarrassment, but that's pretty normal for Trump.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 24 2020 11:14am

Man I would love if he was just doing lawsuits and recounts. What a wonderful world you must live in.

This is so insanely disconnected from reality... I'm not even sure how to respond. Do you think democracy is just some mechanical process that works independent of the populace's thoughts about elections and democratic institutions?

4 years of daily checking up on Trump's tweets and you still haven't come to the conclusion many of us did eons ago to not take his words literalistically.

Whatever pressure you think was being applied to scare these officials apparently wasn't so great because both Georgia and Michigan certified and nothing will happen to those state's officials. Once again threats of lawsuits are not a threat to democracy. Lawsuits inherently disperse the power and we saw a slew of Trump lawsuits that failed in these states.

Why do you have a problem with checks and balances such as lawsuits that ensure whatever process was fair and will remain fair in the future?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 24 2020 11:16am

Yes yes, we know.

Take it literal when you think it's literal, don't take it literal when it's inconvenient, and never look at the consequences of what the president does or says.

So once confronted with facts you didn't know about, your response is "Trump was just trolling lulz, he didn't even successfully steal it!".

You're a joke.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 24 2020 11:20am

I mean when I heard Trump say things like 'we're going to have the best deals', 'we're going to do xyz ' i take that with a grain of salt because I'm mature enough to know that politicians love to overpromise and 98% it's just upselling what they will or can do.



You're a dolt if you think lawsuits that Trump filed and subsequently lost is an attempt to steal an election. That's actually a check and balance to make sure things were fair and protocols were followed and will be followed in the future.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 24 2020 11:24am

I think Trump tried to interrupt democracy for months now because he knew mail in votes, spurred on by covid fears of in person voting, all but spelled his doom. and he failed. and democracy won.

im not sure what his lack of concession or his insistence moving forward that he was robbed matters in the long run. Deontay Wilder comes out with a new crackpot theory each month on how he was cheated, robbed, and is still undefeated. And yet Tyson Fury holds the belt still.

when we take a good statistical look at how people truly feel we will find in the long run im sure that nearly all of the left, center, and moderate right think the election was not rigged. that even tho selective cases of fraud can be shown they tipped no scales. and will a slim minority of the right wing who cannot let go of their crackpot theories have much effect on democracy itself? of course not.