Pre-Covid I was going to start a Instagram called The Reuben Report, where i taste and rate Reubens.

hopefully this madness ends so i can give the people what they want.

Man you're super butthurt that Trump lost

Democrats and Republicans are super close on the political spectrum. It isnt a big leap to go from mainstream Republican to mainstream democrat.

Rubin went from Bernie liberal to Trump cultist. Thats a WAAAAAY bigger jump.

Also hes the most obvious grifter. Even Rogan figured it out and wont let him back on his show.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 24 2020 08:25am

That's not accurate. When it looked like Trump was taking the nomination I reluctantly supported Hillary, and through 2016 began to like her more, mostly because of the contrast with Trump. There's also some confusion because when I'm defending Hillary against silly attacks(like the idea she should be thrown in jail because of her email server, or she's going to start WW3 with Russia in Syria), it's not because I love her, it's because the right-wing mostly used bad arguments against her.

3 years later, I liked Biden the best out of a field of many progressives. I don't think I'm a cheerleader, I just think it's accurate to say he's a moderate Democrat, a man of character, and someone who aligns closer to me ideologically than Trump. My views on issues haven't changed much from 2016-2020... I'm still center-right. The Republican party and right-wing in general has become a dumb and sometimes evil personality cult.

My journey the past few years is much different from someone who pretended to be a sensible liberal in order to get right-wingers watching who then turned into a conspiratorial Trump hack.

Not really. Of the 5 or 6 possible scenarios for election night, the way it played out was my 2nd most preferred outcome:
Republicans hold the Senate or at least limit Democrats to a bare 50+1 majority which will not allow them to ram through the sweeping power grabs, Trump only defeated quite narrowly in a way which was a repudiation of Trump the person, but not Trumpism the principle, GOP gains in the House and state legislatures ahead of redistricting.

If you paid attention, you would have remembered me saying, on multiple occasions ahead of Nov 3, that Trump objectively does not deserve another term. Over the course of 2020, I've soured on him quite a bit. Probably didnt come across properly in my posts here since I was coming from such a high pro-Trump baseline.

Either way, ahead of the election, I was not particularly convinced anymore that another 4 years of Trump would actually help the causes I want to see furthered, or if it would actually cause more harm than good. My primary fear was not that Trump would get defeated, my concern was a blue wave which hands Democrats total control and allows pundits and smug liberals across the world to write Trump off as an insignificant aberration without confronting the issues that allowed his rise in the first place.


I'm not so sure about that. This was certainly true in 2000 or even 2008. But since at least 2010, there is an ever-widening ideological gulf between the two parties. In 2020, Democrats and Republicans imho have vastly different conceptions about how the future of the country should look like.





I see, maybe I mischaracterized your position somewhat. I still cant really understand how a center-right person can support the Democratic party of 2020, but what you say about Biden being a good fit for you makes a lot of sense.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 24 2020 09:21am

The president and his cult have been trying to steal the election the past few weeks, and most Republicans have legitimized the effort.

That's reason enough to never support the party, and that's just what happened this month.

Asking for recounts in states where the outcome was decided by literally tens of thousands of votes out of millions or filing lawsuits is within the bounds of democracy and should be expected.

He conceded as soon as Georgia and Michigan votes were certified, so why is that so outrageous? I mean we knew for months before the election that it might take us weeks to know who won and that's exactly what happened when the dust settled. So you sound mighty dumb for saying he and his followers tried stealing the election when in reality exactly what we expected to happen happened.

Iirc voting irregularities that have existed for years suddenly became a problem only in areas where the outcomes were favourable for biden but not in areas that were favourable for trump or the republican senate. I don't find the hysteria to be based on any concept of ensuring fair elections.

Has he conceded?

How can you compare previous elections 'irregularities' to something like this cycle when you had multitudes of people voting by mail which adds risks with the potential chain of custody.

This was entirely new to have mail-ins at this magnitude and didn't exist for many years prior to this year.