Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 18 2020 05:07pm)
Not true:
https://i.imgur.com/BFGD0eQ.jpgThose are some huge numbers in many countries, and note that these numbers are already dragged down by social distancing and lockdowns. Without those measures, the numbers would look even worse. This becomes even clearer when looking at particularly badly affected cities like New York or London:
https://i.imgur.com/kplF6j6.jpgI think the misunderstanding is that when you take the average over the entire timespan from January 1st through mid May, you're diluting the impact during the peak corona weeks by lumping them together with the calm first two months of the year.
Another thing to keep in mind is that this chart does include the worst weeks for most European countries, but not for the U.S., so the excess mortality for the U.S. is most definitely higher than 19% by now.
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https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 18 2020 05:07pm)
Not true:
https://i.imgur.com/BFGD0eQ.jpgThose are some huge numbers in many countries, and note that these numbers are already dragged down by social distancing and lockdowns. Without those measures, the numbers would look even worse. This becomes even clearer when looking at particularly badly affected cities like New York or London:
https://i.imgur.com/kplF6j6.jpgI think the misunderstanding is that when you take the average over the entire timespan from January 1st through mid May, you're diluting the impact during the peak corona weeks by lumping them together with the calm first two months of the year.
Another thing to keep in mind is that this chart does include the worst weeks for most European countries, but not for the U.S., so the excess mortality for the U.S. is most definitely higher than 19% by now.
Source:
https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441No, I stated quite clearly total deaths January 01-May 18th. I didn't say week over week. And that's specifically because I'm NOT pushing a narrative. And go back and look at YTD deaths in a month, in 6 months, at the end of the year. What you'll find is that death tolls worldwide and in the US are virtually unchanged from any other year.
That's the problem with the co-morbidity stats. For the most part, Covid appears to be targeting people who'd die soon regardless in some cases. In other cases numbers are being misreported (I have provided examples of such). In others, they aren't even being misreported, they've simply lumped in all pneumonia cases as Covid. And lets not forget that the graphs you're using aren't based on any official reportings of deaths by those nations, but are based on aggregates like worldometer. Yes, I understand there are exceptions. But your narrative is designed specifically to show sharp incredibly short turn differences. You, who tried to explain how this was worse than the Flu. The last no-vaccine Flu Epidemic killed 50 million people and infected 500 million when the global population was estimated at a billion.
By trying to highlight weekly changes, you're attempting to make it look far far more terrible. Even the way the graphs are designed are impacted to hide the differences at the early portion of the year, and exaggerate a month's worth.
At any rate, when you go so far away from what is recommended to show you're right, it's clear there's no reasoning with you. When this topic, like so many others, blows over as "whoa, we shut down the world for THAT? We negatively impacted the lives of 7.2 BILLION people over a couple million deaths that most would have died regardless?!" And you start trying to point the finger as "it's all THEIR fault" we'll be right here to remind you.
Just like we're STILL reminding you that when Trump tried to shut down travel from China in mid-January, Pelosi was trying to push a bill through congress to prevent it, calling Trump racist, and encouraging everyone to go eat at their local Chinatown as late as February.
This post was edited by InsaneBobb on May 18 2020 08:05pm