Even if Trump was 100% right about this recommendation, which he wasn't because there are mixed studies on this particular treatment for covid-19, it's still incredibly reckless for him to recommend it at the stage he did. There is still mixed messaging for things that are even common sense... i.e. wearing masks, staying at least 6 feet apart, not jamming into facilities with recirculated air

He is a double speaker that likes to have his cake and eat it too whenever possible, he knew his supporters would buy in 100% and that enough of his detractors would oppose it 100% (both disregarding the evidence) so no matter what the truth was he'd be able to say that he tried to bring the cure but his opponents stopped him

If in fact HCQ was so effective at preventing/treating covid-19, it wouldn't be this difficult to prove it or have so much mixed results

OR... he had information that you didn't.

Considering the studies weren't yet conducted.... that's not really possible. Unless you think there was a massive effort to conduct studies on human patients with hydroxychloroquin on a novel virus in total secrecy and only the president was informed.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 3 2020 03:25pm

your response is concrete proof that you are an absolutist. no matter how much information he had, unless there was extensive research proving that HCQ was safe to administer to covid-19 patients, what he did was reckless.

the fact that you are unwilling to concede this is evident that you are either ignorant or willfully ignorant regarding pharmaceutical testing and health/safety protocols.

Well, the "reports" of studies weren't available. But information that's been coming out suggests that China has known about covid-19 since back in August 2019.

I also saw un-peer reviewed studies of hydroxychloroquine published about 2-3 months ago in Australia. That information was posted here in PaRD back then.



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You mean like you're doing, right now?




This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 3 2020 03:33pm

what exactly am I doing right now? I'm calling out the dangers of snake oil salesmen using hopium. I don't personally work as a pharmaceutical researcher, that doesn't disqualify me from common sense

No. You're judging my response with as little research as you are accusing Trump of having.





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This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 3 2020 03:49pm

Why don't you tell me what your conclusion is if I'm off base?

My conclusion is that HCQ has mixed results and is therefore not a silver bullet in regards to treating covid-19 patients, especially those who have pre-existing conditions that put them at greater risk

I usually take what Trump says....I subtract the Trumpisms, I add w/e information I have seen about the subject, then come to MY conclusion.

The first studies I saw were done by (3, I think) Australians. They came to the conclusion that one of the older malaria drugs and one of the older AIDS drugs "helped" with covid-19 cases.
They didn't claim cures or anything. This article was posted here in PaRD about 3 months ago.

I've read a lot of scientific papers over the years, and this one "sounded" like it was just what they claimed... an FYI document. I didn't get the "smell" of the publish or perish crap that's been flooding the internet for the past 20 years or so.
It had the "aroma" of a well done study, containing no outlandish claims, and pretty much, of no gain for the researchers.

NO. It hadn't been peer reviewed at the time.

On peer reviews...

There are a lot more "peers" than are dreamed of in most folks philosophies. The US govt. has their own scientific peers, just like the publishers and the various fields do.


MY assumption was/is... this was a well done study, looking for no gain for the researchers, and the US govts. science advisors, told Trump, there may just be something to this.
Remember, that doctors are not going to give out these drugs in cases where these drugs would be contraindicated. Like to a patient with "other" conditions where these drugs might do more harm than good.


All this together, tells me anyhow, that while probably not the smartest move politically, Trump, more or less claiming what he claimed, probably wouldn't do any damage. It's not like you can just go to the local pharmacy and get these drugs, over the counter.

We all know that Trump has a tendency to run with information before doing so would be considered wise. But did his claims, harm anyone... I doubt it.