At least batman isn't a tranny.............yet.

He makes economic and sociological arguments all the time as well. He has even made arguments based on social pseudoscience like IQ science/bell curve which does not measure crystalized or fluid intelligence, much less EQ.

bedside manner is a basic way we as patients measure doctors, as well as many more medically specific measures. suggesting doctors of all sorts dont employ the social sciences on the regular, even virologists trying to gauge public opinions to control a pandemic, would indeed be dishonest.

I was not moving the goalposts, I was merely pointing out the psychosocial and historical reality of human attraction and mating to correct your warped perception.

Also, nice way to distort my statements via selective quotes. I specifically pointed out that peeking at these naked models does make Trump a perv. I also specifically stressed that it is a good thing that age of consent laws and social norms have adapted to our modern societies in which the social coming of age lags behind the biological one.



That's a much fairer criticism which got lost in the shuffle because you hackishly had to call Trump a pedo when the examples you cited were categorically unsuited to support this claim.
By bringing up the "pedo"-argument, you shifted the debate away from "Trump is an asshole who abused his power to satisfy his sexual desires" to "Trump is sexually abnormal".





A lot of the science on trans people and how to best deal with their needs belongs to psychology, rather than medicine. You yourself have repeatedly stressed what a pitiful field of barely-science psychology is and that we shouldn't ascribe much credibility to the vast majority of their findings.

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Doctors are required to train in psychotherapy. Object Relations Theory is their framework. A lol of the younger docs are moving toward the Cognitive Behavioral Theory framework that social workers and personal counselors have been using to great success. One psychiatrist I worked with would use very Freudian Psychoanalysis and he happened to also be the best psychopharmacologist I've ever worked with. He would use all kinds of means to get demented seniors to chill the fuck out and he could explain the most complicated ideas to anyone. I wish I still worked with him but I've just started working with a new one I really like who really appreciates social work.

There are these things called Social Determinants of Health that are really important. They are crucially tied to outcomes in patient care, and often the doctor or health care provider is powerless to affect these things. While doctors have an incredible scope of practice, social work has highly specialized scope of practice that uses Systems Theory to affect change in individuals on a biological/psychological/sociological basis. Sometimes the doctors will admit people who they say are "social work nightmares" and they throw themselves at social work's mercy with their their RVUs, and do peer reviews, deal with denials, and what not, based on your ability to solve problems that have been developing sometimes for decades in several days. or a few weeks for serious situations. I'm usually working on 2-3 serious situations at a time. It is because if the doctor discharges them now they would likely die or become disabled. No med change will solve this, no test will change it, only radically changing someone's social circumstances outside of the hospital can help. Group home instead of on the street. Nursing home instead of home alone and demented. We are the masters of moving bodies as well as healing them in our own way of building resiliency and focusing on building strengths, internalizing locus of control, gaining true agency.

I took off work today to have a new septic air pump installed. I'm so glad I'm not doing social work right now lol. I'm so going to work in my hard and enjoy the day and not take on any intense negative experiences outside of Darkest Dungeon or Vanguard/Warzone.



Untrue. It is physical and has to do with the brain and sex organs. To get to the more direct point, there are no actual mental health disorders, only physical disorders of the brain that affect human experience. That is why medicines and procedures work on mental disorders. The best cure for depression is literally electricity shot into your brain. Very physical. If you study psychology you will study the brain's anatomy, and how to measure things about it (psychometrics) primarily.

When I'm treating people with gender dysphoria or who are having problems with transgenderism I refer them to one of two specific people, one is a medical doctor, and one is a nurse practitioner. There are programs for transgenderism and dealing with the consequences of it, but those are often serviced by social workers, marriage & family therapists, and personal therapists, not psychologists typically. And they're expensive and not generally covered by health insurance.

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as we move forward into a world more and more controlled by social media and deep political polarization doctors are going to have to use all sorts of tricks to just get compliant patients. while i detest being lied to so that idiotic people dont feel justified in their faulty conclusions, such as Fauci being sneaky on lab info or saying masks didnt work to prevent a shortage for frontline workers, i understand its the world we live in. social sciences havent just taken grip of the main science branches because of some conspiracy of left wing education in colleges, thats just a minor thing that's overblown, but also because society itself grows more and more hard to get to comply with authority.

and for posterity sake because my post only tangentially relays to your response, i did read it all lol. and i hope u can soon poop in peace.

Yep, but the papers that evaluate medical intervetions and their results are suited specifically for medical journals where the standards are higher and outcomes are prioritized. Which they are. And the literature is overwhelming that transition helps the vast majority of people, even after you account for the societal stressors, and the problems are associated squarely with societal aspects and not the person's opinion of themselves. De-transitioning is incredibly rare and virtually always associated with stress from family, pastors, etc. and not with how they feel about themselves.



Sure, but that's not what Goom means when he says "social sciences". He's been very clear in the past on what he means by that, and the medical journals that publish things like 50 year studies on people who transition and evidence-based recommendations based on outcomes don't fall into that category.

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Im not going to buy that doctor wings in the gender aspect of medicine are purely evidence based minded people. im not nearly as wild on this as Goom but when i hear people bring up transgender specialist doctors i just laugh.

The thing is, the evidence is clear and obvious. Transitioning helps, even for teens, and detransitions are rare and only a small fraction of the detransitions are due to dissatisfaction with the change (like less than 5%). If it was the case where some portion of nutjobs were skewing the data then we could see mixed results, but AFAIK the results pretty much universally show that transitioning greatly helps teens and adults.

Are you saying they're fabricating data? Or what? That any doctor who wants to study this is automatically biased and can't be trusted? I'm not understanding how strong or weak your stance is on this issue.

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my contention is that the number of trans people will grow from its natural occurrence due to social pressures on trans acceptance. its an opinion i see mirrored by middle aged gay men who predict a dwindling of effeminate gay men in the future and an equal increase in m2f trans women as a result. i mean we're still talking about a fringe of cases in a fringe of society, so its a small number of a small number. im sure science is clear on how best to transition trans people, im far more dubious of how we identify trans people or how trans people will come to identify themselves. i dont think an explosion of trans people will occur, that's silly, but i dont exactly trust the psychologists specializing in trans patients and referring them to trans specialist hormone replacement doctors.

not like im a very good source, i havent been to a doctor in 20 years.