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Jul 3 2020 10:46am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 3 2020 12:31pm)
Still waiting.

Seems like you got called out and refuse to clarify because I said exactly what you meant and youre just trying to hide.

Also still waiting on the name of a single user youve had a meaningful conversation with in the last year.


You are beneath me and not worthy of another response.

Try to use your brain and think about potential options for what I meant instead of falsely claiming it can only mean the strawman you want it to mean.
HINT: Its not cryptic at all and I already explained it. Try reading.

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Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 3 2020 11:46am)
You are beneath me and not worthy of another response.

Try to use your brain and think about potential options for what I meant instead of falsely claiming it can only mean the strawman you want it to mean.
HINT: Its not cryptic at all and I already explained it. Try reading.


Somebody says X is something they view as support

Do you have a habit of taking everything somebody says as fact

There is no other reasonable interpretation. When somebody says "This is a sign of support", then you continue doing that thing, then you are knowingly doing something that they see as a sign of support. So what's your point? That he can say something is a sign of support when it actually isn't? That doesn't make sense because what they take as a sign of support is their opinion, so "it's not a fact that it's a sign of support" is nonsensical.

Seems like you're just running away because you realize you just defended Trump willfully showing support to white supremacists.

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Jul 3 2020 11:58am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 3 2020 01:20pm)
Somebody says X is something they view as support

Do you have a habit of taking everything somebody says as fact

There is no other reasonable interpretation. When somebody says "This is a sign of support", then you continue doing that thing, then you are knowingly doing something that they see as a sign of support.

Seems like you're just running away because you realize you just defended Trump willfully showing support to white supremacists.


I'm 'running away' from a low IQ moron acting in bad faith when you were obviously wrong and called on it?
Another brilliant theory.
Let me guess, there are 'no other options' for that one too.

Fine lets break this down so you look like an even bigger idiot and should know to stop running your mouth.

You kept bringing up what David Duke says.
David Duke says this. David Duke says that. David Duke took x as support.
Even in a response to me saying Trump was right to criticize violence on multiple sides, which in leftists' imagination is a bad thing, you brought him up.

So I asked you a question.
"Do you have a habit of taking everything David Duke says as fact?"
Its a question.

Do you?

You responded:
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"Really? Thats your argument? That hes lieing when he says what he takes as a sign of support?"


I indicated I did not say your strawman is what I said. and further explained where I was coming from:

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Is that what I said?

I'm sure David Duke holds a number of opinions, but i don't consider him the arbiter of fact. Maybe you do, i dont know.
If his word is the big thing supporting your argument I would take a look in the mirror and tone down the arrogance.

Trump was right to condemn the violence on many sides, regardless of the opinions of David Duke.
Condemning violence is not an endorsement of white supremacy or nazism.


You declared it was what I said anyway and that there were no other reasonable interpretations.
A moronic misrepresentation and conclusion.


Does that question really mean one thing and one thing only, that I am declaring he is lying and that thats my argument?
Or is it more likely that you are wrong and a fool who needs people to explain to you very elementary errors?

What David Duke thinks is support or not is irrelevant.
Trump and everyone else should not stop doing things solely based off David saying he likes it or considers it support or not.
Condemning violence on multiple sides is a good thing and totally justified, regardless of what Duke thinks.

but duke likes it when you criticize antifa.
I don't care.

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So what's your point? That he can say something is a sign of support when it actually isn't? That doesn't make sense because what they take as a sign of support is their opinion, so "it's not a fact that it's a sign of support" is nonsensical.

That would not be nonsensical.
Massive fallacies and nonsense in your line of 'logic' here.

The assertion "That he can say something is a sign of support when it actually isn't?" makes sense.
It being his opinion doesn't magically mean it doesn't make sense, contrary to your claim here.

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"it's not a fact that it's a sign of support" is nonsensical.

No, that also makes sense.

Its clear you don't have the mental ability and skills necessary to determine what makes logical sense or not.
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Jul 3 2020 12:05pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 3 2020 12:58pm)
What David Duke thinks is support or not is irrelevant.
Trump and everyone else should not stop doing things solely based off David saying he likes it or considers it support or not.
Condemning violence on multiple sides is a good thing and totally justified, regardless of what Duke thinks.


This is the only part worth responding to. The rest is so poorly formatted as to be not worth dissecting for responding to, and regardless it seems to just be the usual "ha, I didn't actually mean that! No I'm not going to clarify!"

What David Duke says is a sign of support is relevant. When a white supremacist says something is a sign of support, and you can avoid doing that thing by not intentionally avoiding a question and just saying "Yes, I condemn white supremacy specifically", then it's pretty telling.

This isn't David Duke saying "I take it as support when he drinks water", it's him saying a specific set of actions specifically relating to questions about white supremacy is a sign of support, and those specific actions can be easily avoided by responding to a specific question in a very easy way when asked.

If Obama refused to condemn Antifa for 4 days when asked, and somebody you consider affiliated with Antifa said "when he avoids the question instead of condemning us we see it as implicit support" you would be all fucking over that. Don't even begin to pretend you wouldn't be.

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This is the only part worth responding to. The rest is so poorly formatted as to be impossible to respond to.

What David Duke says is a sign of support is relevant. When a white supremacist says something is a sign of support, and you can avoid doing that thing by not intentionally avoiding a question and just saying "Yes, I condemn white supremacy specifically", then it's pretty telling.


In other words you are 'hiding' and 'running away'.

Refusing to address the points that demonstrate you were aggressively wrong and completely moronic.

An anti-intellectual coward who knows his repeated insults and taunts were unjustified but refuses to admit it.

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Jul 3 2020 12:11pm
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In other words you are 'hiding' and 'running away'.

Refusing to address the points that demonstrate you were aggressively wrong and completely moronic.

An anti-intellectual coward who knows his repeated insults and taunts were unjustified.


I'll respond if you fix the formatting and clear up your point. And again, you're hiding from the central point of the discussion.
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Jul 3 2020 12:24pm
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I'll respond if you fix the formatting and clear up your point. And again, you're hiding from the central point of the discussion.


I'm not hiding from anything.
What a desperate and empty tactic.

My statements were justified and yours were aggressively idiotic and wrong.
Read through it again and admit it.
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Jul 3 2020 12:28pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jul 3 2020 01:24pm)
I'm not hiding from anything.
What a desperate and empty tactic.

My statements were justified and yours were aggressively idiotic and wrong.
Read through it again and admit it.


Nah, I'm about done. Again, I can have a conversation with 90% of the forum, and somehow 100% of your conversations devolve into this exact kind of thing. One of us has an issue, and it doesn't seem to be me.

When a white supremacist says "This specific response to questions about condemning white supremacists is a clear showing of support since he can't show explicit support", then Trump does that exact thing. Any reasonable person will conclude that is a showing of support for white supremacists, or at least is an accidental showing of support either due to apathy or incompetence.
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Jul 3 2020 12:42pm
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Nah, I'm about done. Again, I can have a conversation with 90% of the forum, and somehow 100% of your conversations devolve into this exact kind of thing. One of us has an issue, and it doesn't seem to be me.

When a white supremacist says "This specific response to questions about condemning white supremacists is a clear showing of support since he can't show explicit support", then Trump does that exact thing. Any reasonable person will conclude that is a showing of support for white supremacists, or at least is an accidental showing of support either due to apathy or incompetence.


You ran your mouth for a long time and were proven wrong/stupid.

Rather than reading and addressing the points and admitting it, the coward retreats to his previous personal attacks and fantasies and runs away.

Shameful behavior.
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Jul 3 2020 12:47pm
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You ran your mouth for a long time and were proven wrong/stupid.

Rather than reading and addressing the points and admitting it, the coward retreats to his previous personal attacks and fantasies and runs away.

Shameful behavior.


You ran your mouth for a long time and were proven wrong/stupid.

Rather than reading and addressing the points and admitting it, the coward retreats to his previous personal attacks and fantasies and runs away.

Shameful behavior.
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