I dont want this dumpster fire to continue. But I also dont want the leftist policies that a Biden presidency would enable. I like the clear majority of the policies coming out of Trump's administration, I like how he's publicly fighting back against liberalism. I dislike his conduct, the dirty optics that his administration produces, I hate how he constantly trips over his own feet and slows down his own agenda with self-inflicted wounds.

I guess what I would really want is someone other than Trump, someone more sane and coherent and competent, to carry out his agenda and his policies.




Honestly, I'm torn right now about which side I want to win in November. I could live with Biden as president, but I probably can't live with the things for which his presidency would open the door. At the moment, I'd still tentatively prefer Trump to win re-election. Democrats and liberals still haven't gotten the message, they still haven't suffered enough. Instead of learning from the mistakes they made in 2012-2016, they doubled down on their bullshit and positioned themselves even further in the very direction whose rejection brought Trump to the White House in the first place.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 3 2020 09:03am

Go Dem for better economy, better healthcare, broader civil liberties for more people...

Nothing is holding you back from going to live a much lower quality of life in an illiberal nondemocracy. The party that denies the equality or humanity of over half the country isn't going to be successful.

There is nothing for conservatives to like in the Republican party. They do not stand for limited government or lower taxes, they stand for white christian identity politics and culture war.

If Biden wins, we will likely have a massive change to our 1st Amendment rights as the far-left has already infiltrated everything (Govt, Media, PARD of Jsp lol). Big media/tech censorship will strengthen - having our people continue to be brainwashed in the masses by false propaganda/a continued disruption in our democracy.

If Trump wins, he will continue the pressure on China, focus on bringing jobs back to the USA (which needs to happen in my opinion), and be anti-far left extremist ideas/policy's (Marxists, Communists, Socialism). He will continue to place pressure on big tech/media to stop radical censorship.

I don't agree with everything Trump does, but Trump will never kneel. I think that's an important thing right now as lots of politicians refuse to stand up.

Contrary to what some people think, he's a huge threat to these other billionaires, which is why they hate him so much, the same billionaires that own and/or have strong ties to these media companies. He's threatening big businesses large profits embedded in exploited Chinese forced labor.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 3 2020 09:32am

Robert Byrd (D) filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He is known as the Democratic party’s “conscience of the senate” and his euology was given by Biden (D)

Every single (D) candidate other than maybe Barnie (I) has been against gay marriage until it was politically necessary for them not to be.

Biden (D) used his political power and “single-handedly wrote” (his words) legislation that locked up minority males for trivial crimes and permanently separate thousands of minority families. His likely VP nod, Kamala Harris (D) is a notorious crooked cop who locked up thousands of black males for weed, even while she was smoking it after her shift (her words) at the DA’s office back in the day.

So no, your assertion is a no

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 3 2020 09:41am

I agree that Trump would try to do those things. I'm just much less sure that he would actually succeed. Like I said in my previous post: I'm still quite strongly in agreement with Trump on policy and general direction - what I'm increasingly doubting is his ability to actually get these things done, to produce meaningful results.




I have to respectfully disagree. But we have such different ideologies and worldviews that we'll probably never come to an agreement on these things.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 3 2020 09:39am

The idea about bringing jobs back to the USA from China, which industries do you think have long-term sustainability when they return to the USA? What incentives is Trump dangling for these companies to make the switch?

If you're referring to coal, steel, and manufacturing... then you're woefully in the past.

I'll even do Trump the courtesy of examining his numbers at the best time frame, which is 2019, if you really want examine them in 2020 we can go down that road but I don't think it's in your best interests.

Jobs added: total nonfarm employment 5.75 million growth. Under Obama it was 7.38 million in growth

Jobs added: manufacturing 443,000. Under Obama it was 234,000. Manufacturing does not have a long-term sustainability in this country. Speaking as a territory manager from a large manufacturing company, many of our distributor partners and other manufacturers want to eliminate jobs with automated machinery. This begins as soon as this summer with warehouses doing the finishing touches to be up to OSHA regulations before launch. Digi-key as an example, is a 3 billion dollar company that will eliminate over 80% of their laborers in favor of machinery when they open their new warehouse this summer. Current employees today: over 4,000. By 2022 that number is expected to be less than 500.

Jobs added: iron and steel 3,300. Trump made a big deal about this particular industry, but the reality is that these things are not coming back to America ever again. It's nice to dream about Pittsburgh flourishing with iron and steel workers, but it's just not happening.

Jobs lost: aluminum 1,600.

The U.S. debt is on an unsustainable path. Even when the economy was booming, Trump was accelerating the national debt. I'm really confused why you think that the employment and fiscal landscape is a favorable one, whether it's from a current vantage point, short-term, or long-term.

This post was edited by Giannis on Jul 3 2020 09:42am

Which of Obama's years is this 7.38m figure from? His last one, aka 2016? Or is that the average over his entire presidency, which includes the recovery from the Great Recession?

last 33 months under Obama and Trumps figures are first 33 months (which is favorable to him rather than adjusting to include pandemic figures)

I mean, do we have a choice to stay as invested as we are in China?
How long until that backfires on us?

We won't have long term sustainability if necessities stay reliant on China. We've already been seeing them push their limits with our ally India's border/river and now overtaking Hong Kong despite diplomatic pacts stating Hong Kong was supposed to maintain independence until like the 2040's.

I believe we could be entering a modern day Cold War with China in our lifetimes. Australia has just started being armed with long ranged missiles (who knows to what degree these are capable of, or if it's 100% due to China or other countries like North Korea but it may be).

It's not all about economic profits, I agree things will suffer in some ways.
Product prices will increase (though quality might increase for certain products as well). I agree certain aspects such as manufacturing core resources will be automated, however, there are many products that I don't think will be for quite some time or just will never be as practical.

Additionally, many manufacturing opportunities may also be shifted to various regions in the USMCA pact, not exclusively to the United States.

Despite this, I still agree with pulling out of China.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 3 2020 10:41am

Still waiting.

Seems like you got called out and refuse to clarify because I said exactly what you meant and youre just trying to hide.

Also still waiting on the name of a single user youve had a meaningful conversation with in the last year.