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Jan 6 2022 10:53pm
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But again a jury of MN-5 is not a jury of reasonable human beings.


There really should be forcible elements within the constitution to liberate third world shit holes like these from the clutches of incapable juries. How else do you fix this level of urban decay?
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There really should be forcible elements within the constitution to liberate third world shit holes like these from the clutches of incapable juries. How else do you fix this level of urban decay?


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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


You don't "fix it," it is operating as designed.
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Jan 7 2022 04:59pm
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Most of the institutions you described aren't aligned with the authoritarian left.

They are aligned with a political and ideological side which is increasingly moving in an authoritarian direction. Their support for authoritarian covid measures, hardline regulation of speech on the internet, top-down solutions to climate change and so on has grown noticeably in recent years. Some of the institutions I described might not be fully aligned with the AuthLeft yet, but they're getting there. Others, like Hollywood, Silicon Valley, academia and the mainstream media are already in the grips of the AuthLeft.

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Cancel culture folk have a lot of soft power but they don't really have any hard power.

Those who can influence what people can and cannot say hold tremendous power which will, in the long run, manifest itself in tangible changes to the political mood and the electoral landscape. Hard power is not necessarily stronger or more important than soft power.


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Most of law enforcement lean right. Most enlisted and about half the officers lean right. The right controls most of the judiciary at both the state and federal level and they also control most state governments. In short, we should fear the ones with the guns, not the ones with gun emojis on Twitter.

I was talking about the elites of these institutions, not the rank and file. And pretty much without exception, the elites or leadership in these instiutions are to the left of their subordinates, particularly on social and cultural issues. And like I said: even traditionally deep red groups with disproportionate power, like the officer corps or the decision-makers of Corporate America, have zoomed to the left during the era of Trump.

You make a good point when it comes to the judiciary, but let's not forget how close it was. The relative right-lean of the federal judiciary can be attributed almost entirely to what McConnell, Trump and the Federalist Society have accomplished over the past 6 years. Had Hillary won in 2016, the federal judiciary (not just the supreme court) would imho have irreversibly fallen to liberals.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 7 2022 05:00pm
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Those who can influence what people can and cannot say hold tremendous power which will, in the long run, manifest itself in tangible changes to the political mood and the electoral landscape.


You have it backwards. That something is cancellable means the cultural shift has already occured. The fact that "cancel culture" exists and hasn't made any real changes to the system highlights their inability to gather and wield hard power.
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Jan 7 2022 10:20pm
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You don't "fix it," it is operating as designed.


I think that the state government should be able to use their judgment to replace the jury with people from other randomly selected parts of the state - if the specific city in question falls below certain metrics of poverty or homicide. The local city clearly failed at its constitutional promise and another path should be taken under state leadership.

Places like Detroit and Camden shouldn't exist. It's a humanitarian nightmare. People that live there have worse PTSD than Iraq veterans. Yet politicians there still get reelected over and over. It's a political mafia organization that needs a quick and unyielding removal. This is the softest and most gentle way to bring it about.

I know you want to take the district clause in a 100% literal fasion, but all levels of prescribed government power are secondary to the actors actually implementing the power. Just look at the treachery certain organizations commit with FISA warrants and selective prosecution. Should we turn the other cheek and just let ourselves die due to the specificity of wording?
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Jan 7 2022 10:36pm
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You missed the part where the government literally does whatever it wants and 400 million guns did not stop you having more people in prison than any other country, having 23,000 laws on the books and certainly did nothing to prevent the gradual switch to an oligarchy where nothing but the whims of the ultra rich matter.

So who has the mental gymnastics here?

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You missed the part where the government literally does whatever it wants and 400 million guns did not stop you having more people in prison than any other country, having 23,000 laws on the books and certainly did nothing to prevent the gradual switch to an oligarchy where nothing but the whims of the ultra rich matter.

So who has the mental gymnastics here?


Its about sending the message. When you have a weapon the government has to think twice before making a move that involves taking away freedoms. Its very simple "shall not be infringed".

If you willingly like to bend over at a mere hint then I am really sorry for you. I shall sleep with my rifle by my side
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Jan 7 2022 11:15pm
Quote (addone @ Jan 7 2022 11:06pm)
Its about sending the message. When you have a weapon the government has to think twice before making a move that involves taking away freedoms. Its very simple "shall not be infringed".

If you willingly like to bend over at a mere hint then I am really sorry for you. I shall sleep with my rifle by my side


Yeah they really thought twice about enacting the largest spying program the world has ever known, and when they killed a subjugated millions of people, and did any number of other atricities.

Being armed doesn't make the government second guess anything if we're being honest. In terms of real political considerations the people who are gun nuts tend to be far too easy to manipulate.
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