The last time there was a Flu Pandemic that had no vaccine there were 50,000,000 worldwide deaths with 675,000 in the US, and population counts and densities far lower than they are today. There were 500,000,000 infected (estimated), which made it a 10% mortality rate.

So as far as a virus goes that has no vaccine, Covid is mild as fuck. And even take nations like Sweden for instance that had no lockdown, population of over 10m, deaths appear to have peaked, but they haven't tested hardly any of the population. No massive Armageddon there.

And again, explain to me why Texas has it so much better than NY, when Texas locked down for a shorter time, with fewer restrictions, and opened up fast as hell. I mean, they're reporting staggering numbers of cases now that testing's under way in a big way, but not much in the way of new deaths. Why?

And do a quick search for lethality rate. First result will be WaPo. The article argues that lethality is still "higher" but that the infection rate is 10x higher. That increase in the denominator takes it down to an estimated .2 to .5 overall, but there's such a variance between areas that many counties that are reporting a high level of positive testing have less than .01% lethality. I don't know what you're reading that's still rating it at 0.5-1%. Original estimates based on the 10x lower denominator were 2-5%.

Note: I'm not not linking WaPo because I'm hiding anything. I'm not linking them because I despise them, and hate having them in top search results. At least give something decent like the Wall Street Journal.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on May 18 2020 11:31am

He's brain dead if he think shut downs haven't saved any lives. He should be autismbob not insanebob. He's so rigid and committed to his point of view you're just an idiot like me obviously.

This post was edited by Skinned on May 18 2020 11:31am

You can't prove it has saved lives. You can't even prove the lethality rate. You can't even prove that it's a standalone lethal virus. Given how many studies are coming out globally indicating it relies on co-morbidity, with cases ranging from 97-99% on co-morbidity, regardless of age group, I don't buy it at all.

I said it back in early February, I said it in March, I said it in April, and I'm saying it now, all you panic-driven shits have done is fuck the working class. You panicked over a cold that due to co-morbidity factors can be awefully nasty to old people, the morbidly obese, and the immunocompromised, and rather than offering incentives for those at-risk groups to self-isolate until a treatment could be devised, you cried for a massive lockdown that is causing and will continue to cause far more suffering and, due to broken supply chains, quite likely far more death than covid ever will.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on May 18 2020 11:39am

Great post! Keep up the good word count!

If reading is too hard for you, try the picture thread.

yea the holocaust didn't happen either, but don't mention that around the VA - they're really committed to the lie.

Sources desperately needed.

It's much, really much, more like you are fucking completely wrong, the covid impact is now much more evaluated. Around 1-2% mortality rate (picking it large) and the amount of crippled, for years up to whole life, is insane (5 times more).
Large testing have been done in Spain are confirming Pasteur Institute predictions: like ~5% of people infected in these countries (thus it varies alot in-between rural & urban areas).
On the top of that we don't have the exact numbers of deaths at home yet. Many countries are counting deaths differently tho, like blood clot death (induced by covid) instead of covid death, but this is another subject.

Time to delete.

The goal of shutting down businesses and the stay at home orders was to flatten the curve to allow for hospital capacity. Peak community spread occurred 3 weeks ago at the end of April in most states. There should be a concern of a large "second wave" if we re-open areas too quickly, but a lot of states are doing slow and gradual reopenings, which I think is a fair compromise.

Obviously places like NYC and highly densely populated areas like yours need to take larger precautions and measures, but if our criteria for keeping things closed is to reduce COVID19 deaths or illnesses rather than flattening the curve for hospital capacity, we will likely need to be mostly closed for at least another 2 months and likely more, which isn't economically sustainable.

The people of my state aren't social distancing anymore, but our hospital capacity is at 50-60% right now, which is actually lower than normal. So my state has it good and the people can afford to be stupid. Other states aren't as lucky. Regardless, I think we need strictly define our criteria for closure/opening of businesses.

one area Covid coverage fails is state by state comparisons. we should look only at large cities and other fairly densely populated metropolitan areas. in every state that has had a terrible outbreak there are dozens of counties with next to no cases. Upstate NY, northern Cali, Northern Wisconsin, etc.

im glad the governor order failed in Wisconsin and was struck down. there's no reason that north of Highway 10 where they have 0-10 cases per county, total, they should be following the exact same guidelines as Milwaukee or Madison or even the Fox Valley.

statewide ordinances were out of fear, but we know more now, and governors should be working at a county level to make decisions for that county and those around it.