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Funny thing is the person on the right is basically the covid deniers.

Vaccines work being the 2+2=4


The funniest thing on this entire forum, is you saying that.
When in fact, YOU are the person on the right.
ROFL till DEAD.
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Jan 3 2022 09:35am
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debunked misinformation monday

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Jan 3 2022 05:04pm
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Not really. They generated a massive amount of wealth by being the absolute backbone of all agriculture in the western hemisphere for over 100 years.


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Europe gained massive wealth from colonial slavery in the Caribbean. Same with ownership of south America. You should pick up a history textbook if you don't think slavery and colonialism was extremely profitable for Europe.

Haiti was so profitable France was willing to go to war to keep the island. It was more profitable than all 13 of the American colonies alone.


Europe might have gained massively from colonial slavery, but it is still a fact that European, non-enslaved farmers were the backbone of agriculture in Europe, not slaves living overseas. Likewise, if all kinds of slavery were so extremely profitable, why didn't all the slave-holding empires throughout human history gain massive, entrenched wealth from it? Why is it that the European civilization (which includes its outposts in the U.S., Canada and Australia) of the enlightenment-industrialization-era became the first to establish global dominance and build up wealth which can exist without enslaving others?

The answer is quite simple: the true backbone of Western wealth is not colonialism or the remnants of slavery, its technological and societal progress, combined with an increased exploitation of natural resources. By the time the Civil War broke out in 1861, the productivity of the North was already surpassing that of the South by such a wide margin that the victory of the Union over the Confederacy was inevitable (as long as no foreign powers intervened). If anything, slavery was holding back the places which practiced it in the long run because it encouraged a labor-intense, low-productivity economy and disincentivized investment into education, infrastructure or research.



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Yeah for sure slavery is not the absolute entire source of american wealth but simply have to imagine how history would have been without it. It bring an enormous wealth into US and changed its path for ever.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/slavery-made-america/373288/

Yes, slavery changed the path of the US forever. The economic malaise of the rural South which persists to this day is a direct consequence of them sticking with slavery and racial segregation for too long, an economic/societal model which is just shitty and had no future anymore once industrialization picked up pace.

Sorry, but I won't consider a piece titled "slavery made America - the case for reparations" by Ta-Nehisi Coates an unbiased, credible source on this issue.

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Sorry, but I won't consider a piece titled "slavery made America - the case for reparations" by Ta-Nehisi Coates an unbiased, credible source on this issue.


"slavery changed the path of the US forever." is enough.

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Europe might have gained massively from colonial slavery, but it is still a fact that European, non-enslaved farmers were the backbone of agriculture in Europe, not slaves living overseas. Likewise, if all kinds of slavery were so extremely profitable, why didn't all the slave-holding empires throughout human history gain massive, entrenched wealth from it? Why is it that the European civilization (which includes its outposts in the U.S., Canada and Australia) of the enlightenment-industrialization-era became the first to establish global dominance and build up wealth which can exist without enslaving others?

The answer is quite simple: the true backbone of Western wealth is not colonialism or the remnants of slavery, its technological and societal progress, combined with an increased exploitation of natural resources. By the time the Civil War broke out in 1861, the productivity of the North was already surpassing that of the South by such a wide margin that the victory of the Union over the Confederacy was inevitable (as long as no foreign powers intervened). If anything, slavery was holding back the places which practiced it in the long run because it encouraged a labor-intense, low-productivity economy and disincentivized investment into education, infrastructure or research.




Yes, slavery changed the path of the US forever. The economic malaise of the rural South which persists to this day is a direct consequence of them sticking with slavery and racial segregation for too long, an economic/societal model which is just shitty and had no future anymore once industrialization picked up pace.

Sorry, but I won't consider a piece titled "slavery made America - the case for reparations" by Ta-Nehisi Coates an unbiased, credible source on this issue.


lol and why? have you read it? who do you think wrote a "fair and unbiased" book about slavery in your opinion?
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The answer is quite simple: the true backbone of Western wealth is not colonialism or the remnants of slavery, its technological and societal progress, combined with an increased exploitation of natural resources. By the time the Civil War broke out in 1861, the productivity of the North was already surpassing that of the South by such a wide margin that the victory of the Union over the Confederacy was inevitable (as long as no foreign powers intervened). If anything, slavery was holding back the places which practiced it in the long run because it encouraged a labor-intense, low-productivity economy and disincentivized investment into education, infrastructure or research.



exactly

the problems with slavery in societies holding them back were already there over 2000 years ago in the roman empire

they literally had to introduce quotas for roman citizens, because the slaves did all the work and roman men were unemployed in the streets creating trouble

using masses of slaves to build things can be an advantage, but overall an economy of free, skilled workers is vastly superior
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Quote (fender @ Jan 3 2022 05:52pm)
lol and why? have you read it? who do you think wrote a "fair and unbiased" book about slavery in your opinion?


I did.
Titled: Cry Me A River - The dindunuffin story.
Here is the summery.

Shit happens.
Get over it.
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