The chain you’re talking about is mostly built by the people pushing this narrative. Trumps remarks on Charlottesville for example. He said one thing, it was twisted into something else and years later here we are. It’s like a perpetual game of telephone. Trumps says or does something, AP affiliates interpret it how they want, hive mind follows the narrative.

I’ve lived In the us for 20 years and have never seen fascism, never seen or heard of white people irl targeting blacks for assaults or whatever. Never seen people irl praise hitler or even leave any sort of clues they’re sympathizers.

The antifa types and trump opponents have built a paper dragon and so many are just gullibly buying it lol.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 2 2020 03:21pm

Four months till the election:

Dems: Time to start up the nazi/fascist accusations again.

I doubt it. I don't know enough about the designer to say for sure.
But from what I can tell its just some normal guy who makes innocuous and nice little stock images, many associated with liberal causes.

I think some staffer likely searched for and bought a patriotic-looking stock image of an eagle holding an american flag to put on Trump t-shirts because they thought it looked good and would sell well.
I don't expect they knew about or cared at all about what way it was facing or its potential meanings.


The direction has a number of meanings and mistaken meanings, and its also depending on what eagle/insignia we are talking about.
On uniforms the correct direction depends on which side its on.
Truman reportedly changed the direction of the US presidential seal in the 40s to signify a new direction for the country after WW2.

Snopes goes over some of the history in more detail here:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/presidential-seal-change-war/

On the presidential seal the eagle holds arrows in one talon and an olive branch in the other.
The head direction of an eagle that holds neither of those things (like one holding a US flag symbol) could reasonably be considered to have less or different meaning.

Right and I think that's what snipa is saying. I always assume incompetence over malice because that's a pretty safe bet. Unfortunately for Trump, his rhetoric, actions, etc. have been quite questionable at best regarding his association with white-identity politics. Whether or not is fair is a different story. At the end of the day, your public perception matters because this is an election.

But you're right, it could be reasonably interpreted in such a way that's completely innocuous. I imagine there's some sort of spectrum where x% would say it's perfectly fine, y% would say it's borderline, and z% would say it's crossing a line. I'm not advocating that the invest in polling for every symbol they use because that's overkill. But I do think with as many mistakes that Trump has made, they should probably err on the side of caution.

The Charlottesville wasn't built by people pushing the narrative though.

August 11th was a legitimate Nazi rally. It was organized by white supremacists, all the speakers were open white supremacists, they literally marched chanting "Jews will not replace us".

On August 12th, in reference to the August 11th rally, Trump said ""We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."", and when he was asked by reporters if he specifically condemned the white supremacists he refused to answer and walked off stage.

After that Orin Hatch, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, and Corey Gardner (all Republicans) all called Trump out for his moral equivalence of the white supremacists with the counter protesters.

Despite this pressure, it took Trump until August 16th to make the comments I'm sure you are familiar with, where he specifically calls out white supremacists but also walks it back by saying there was "violence on many sides". Republicans like to pretend that only his August 16th comments happened, so they can ignore the 4 days of criticism from both sides that happened before then.

Now pair that with the fact that during the primary he was asked if he would condemn David Duke, and he refused to do so saying he didn't know him, and took several days to actually condemn him. David Duke specifically said that the refusal to immediately condemn him was a showing of support, since Trump couldn't outright say he supported them.



We can bicker about other links, but Charlottesville is 100% a link in the chain Snipa referenced. There is no doubt as his August 16th comments only came after significant pressure from both parties.

This conversation is worse than AIDS.

The violence of both sides wasn’t walking anything back that’s just subjective interpretation. I’ve watched that shit live and it’s a factual statement of videos we’ve all seen with the two sides clashing.

Like I said people taking things out context like you just did and building a narrative that floats your boat. Prime example.

I like how you just totally ignored the context then accused me of taking things out of context. I typed out literally all of the context to support why it was seen as a walkback lol. Who do you think you are going to fool?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 2 2020 04:07pm

You not liking how fast trump called out the white supremacists and giving your opinion that he walked it back by saying there’s bad people on both sides is just that, opinion. You’ve built a narrative and don’t even see how incredible subjective it is.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 2 2020 04:13pm

Don't appropriate my culture. Thank you.