Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:31am)

It's stupid to you. Not to me.
If the law as it currently is doesn't apply to vaccination status, it can be amended so as to include it. I don't see what the big deal is.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 10:31am)

Ah, so voting is a right, but eating is not? Gotcha.

As a point in fact, voting is not "a right" in the US, nor was it ever. At the start, only landowners could vote. And if the landowner was female, they needed a proxy to vote. It wasn't until the first draft that the vote was opened up to non land owners. Males earned the right to vote even without having actual stake by willingly taking the chance their number could come up and they could die in combat. Minorities and women were still excluded at that point. Later on, racial discrimination was kicked out, allowing black males to vote, and women at some point also got the right to vote, without the responsibility of the draft.

Now that we've reviewed the history, let's address this "right" and it's qualifications:
1. Be a citizen.
2. Not be a felon.
3. Be an adult.
4. One person gets ONE vote.

So, the positive requirements of this "right" require that you be a citizen. How do you prove your citizenship status, eh? Another requires that you prove you're an adult. How do you go about that? Another requires that you not be a felon, how can that be verified exactly? And last that you only vote once, well, how do we know you only voted once if we aren't checking IDs? Why couldn't I simply fill out 50 ballots and mail them back?

Technically speaking, voting is only a "right" to citizens in good standing, and is a PRIVILIGE because you can lose that "right". Further, without government, the "right" to vote wouldn't exist at all. It's a "right" that is intrinsically linked to government. A person has a right to attempt to obtain food irrespective of government. A person has a right to trade with another person irrespective of government. A person has a right to defend themselves irrespective of government. A person has a right to speak their mind irrespective of government. These rights all exist even when government does not. Anyone who attempts to infringe on these actual rights is a tyrant. The privilege to vote is exactly that, a privilege, and you must provide proof that you are eligible for that privilege.

It's fun that you dodge governments threatening to yank business licenses unless private businesses require vaccine verification though. You know what kind of people allow for "private business" that can only conduct business at the behest of the state? Fascists. :)

Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 9 2021 10:34am)

Statism is stronk in this thread.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 9 Sep 2021 08:32)

When you start your post with such a blatant strawman nobody is going to read further.

Just some advice if you're actually wanting to have a productive conversation.

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Sep 2021 08:35)

rights arent inalienable, in reality NONE are.

i dont have the right to own a machine gun, drink unpasteurized milk, shoot and eat a sandhill crane with my machine gun while drinking unpasteurized milk inside of the city limits on my flamethrower powered grill using rhyno horn powder for seasoning, etc.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 9 2021 08:31am)

You can pay somebody else to shop for you, you can go to a different store. You have options.

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Sometimes choices make things less convenient. This is just how life works. You can't legislate away the consequences of your actions like some liberal snowflake wants to.

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We have already had that discussion as a society and we decided government should be only minimally involved to protect things that are not based on choice.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:35am)

And if some people don't have other options? Should they just starve?



Not sure what you meant "consequences". So, if I refuse to get the vaccines, I will be punished by the government?


Where was this discussion? Link it to me please, I want to see.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Sep 9 2021 10:35am)

You said you have a "right" to vote, but not to buy a donut. If you don't buy the donut, how do you eat it? There's no strawman. You literally just said voting is a right and eating is not. The fact that you don't think through your position before posting is your issue, not mine.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:35am)

And if some people don't have other options? Should they just starve?
Not sure what you meant "consequences". So, if I refuse to get the vaccines, I will be punished by the government?
Where was this discussion? Link it to me please, I want to see.

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 9 2021 08:36am)

they have the option to get a free vax shot.

Quote (JessiWan @ Sep 9 2021 10:35am)

And if some people don't have other options? Should they just starve?



Not sure what you meant "consequences". So, if I refuse to get the vaccines, I will be punished by the government?


Where was this discussion? Link it to me please, I want to see.