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Aug 27 2020 10:28pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 27 2020 07:42pm)
Rittenhouse had charges for resisting arrest, according to you conservatives he should have been shot dead and none of this would have happened, or is that only a rule you guys have for black people?


If he was reaching for a lethal weapon or appeared to be reaching for one, then yes he should've been shot dead in that instance.
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Aug 27 2020 10:33pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 27 2020 08:45pm)
17 year old drives in from out of state with a gun hes not legally allowed to have.

even if he gets off for the murder fuck him, he should get raped for 5-10 in a federal pen for crossing state lines with the gun.

these militia groups are getting absurd. if business owners hired them as private security id be all for it, as "were here to protect private property" idiots they can all rot.

vigilante justice is perversion of the system, and that alone should draw a seriously harsh punishment. offer your services, its the american way.


the cops are encouraging it.. videos of them giving this actual kid water and saying "we appreciate you guys" the Sheriff wouldn't comment on a press question of do they want them back IE vigilante's..
so many fucking bootlikers running around thsi country both my grandfathers are rolling in their graves.
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Aug 27 2020 10:38pm
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If he was reaching for a lethal weapon or appeared to be reaching for one, then yes he should've been shot dead in that instance.


You can literally use that bullshit line to murder anyone you want, we watched it happen fully recorded to philandro castile.
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Aug 27 2020 10:44pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Aug 27 2020 11:38pm)
You can literally use that bullshit line to murder anyone you want, we watched it happen fully recorded to philandro castile.


Philandro Castile was wrongly killed and he wasn't resisting arrest. I don't see the comparison. Blake was tased (to no avail), wrestled (to no avail), and then went to his vehicle where a weapon was located all while resisting arrest. Completely different circumstances.
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Aug 27 2020 10:46pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ Aug 27 2020 11:44pm)
Philandro Castile was wrongly killed and he wasn't resisting arrest. I don't see the comparison. Blake was tased (to no avail), wrestled (to no avail), and then went to his vehicle where a weapon was located all while resisting arrest. Completely different circumstances.


Police can always just say "I thought he was reaching for a weapon" if they do anything but sit perfectly still with their hands in the air.

"Let me see your wallet"
"Okay"
*bang bang*
"I thought he was reaching for a weapon"
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Aug 27 2020 10:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 27 2020 11:46pm)
Police can always just say "I thought he was reaching for a weapon" if they do anything but sit perfectly still with their hands in the air.

"Let me see your wallet"
"Okay"
*bang bang*
"I thought he was reaching for a weapon"


Those hypothetical instances where a cop tells someone to reach for something and they still shoot them would be murders. This instance 100% wasn't the case.
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Aug 27 2020 10:49pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ Aug 27 2020 11:48pm)
Those hypothetical instances where a cop tells someone to reach for something and they still shoot them would be murders. This instance 100% wasn't the case.


This instance wasn't, but if you give the police broad leeway to interpret "looked like he was reaching for a weapon" then most actions fall under this, even complying with orders.
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Aug 27 2020 10:55pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 27 2020 11:49pm)
This instance wasn't, but if you give the police broad leeway to interpret "looked like he was reaching for a weapon" then most actions fall under this, even complying with orders.


In an instance where they would be complying with an officer, I would definitely be on your side for those cases. I'm not sure how a situation like this could be prevented 100% of the time or ensure accountability to the officers 100% of the time, but the best option currently would to require all law enforcement to wear body cams at all times. Unfortunately, there are departments across the US right now that can't afford them. There are probably better methods that make more sense fiscally, but I'm not sure what those would be. Until something is found, the only option I see currently is increasing police funding for body cams and definitely more training/better hiring screening/frequent psych and wellness evals/etc.
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Aug 27 2020 11:09pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ Aug 28 2020 02:48pm)
Those hypothetical instances where a cop tells someone to reach for something and they still shoot them would be murders. This instance 100% wasn't the case.


The cop that killed philandro castile walked.
The problem black folks have is all of these cops walk, hence why they are trying to tell people their lives matter too..
When a cop kills a white woman like justine damond he goes to jail and his partner testifies against him.

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In an instance where they would be complying with an officer, I would definitely be on your side for those cases. I'm not sure how a situation like this could be prevented 100% of the time or ensure accountability to the officers 100% of the time, but the best option currently would to require all law enforcement to wear body cams at all times. Unfortunately, there are departments across the US right now that can't afford them. There are probably better methods that make more sense fiscally, but I'm not sure what those would be. Until something is found, the only option I see currently is increasing police funding for body cams and definitely more training/better hiring screening/frequent psych and wellness evals/etc.


Video won't do anything without a system willing to hold the police to account.

Currently the prosecutors that charge the police are also the prosecutors that work with the police to charge suspects apprehended by the police. It's pretty easy to see how getting a fair trial there would be impossible.
The judiciary has also created some pretty ludicrous rules as well, such as qualified immunity, that severely restrict police accountability.
And then there's the fact that there's a straight line from the police administrations that abused minorities during Jim Crow, then during the drug war, to today.
And there's the fact that police officers have a shittier job than they should. We really should defund the police and allocate the newly freed funding to other services such as mental health workers so they can respond where the police aren't needed. The police shouldn't be expected to respond to everything from an armed robbery to John's autistic kid freaking out for the third time this week.

Anyway, the best part of these riots is people are taking these problems seriously now. It's not just seen as an attack on the police to want to fix these problems.
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