d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Coronavirus Thread
Prev14849505152910Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 27,048
Joined: Dec 21 2007
Gold: 14,569.69
Mar 7 2020 07:04pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 7 2020 05:01pm)
France has twice as many infections as the US (they are right next to Italy so that makes sense) and roughly the same amount of people have died. That means the French are twice as good at treating patients as America is. If I were an elderly person, I would NOT want to be in this country because we have shit healthcare for the average person.

IMO, South Korea has done a remarkable job treating its population. 7000 cases and less than 50 deaths. If South Korea's healthcare was as bad as America's, over 300 people would be dead.


I am agreeing with you..
I have no idea what Ghot is even attempting.
First he thinks cities are getting effected based on political alignment.
now basic math is eluding him. He IS better off at copy+paste silly memes that only he understands
Member
Posts: 35,291
Joined: Aug 17 2004
Gold: 12,730.67
Mar 7 2020 07:08pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 7 2020 05:04pm)
I am agreeing with you..
I have no idea what Ghot is even attempting.
First he thinks cities are getting effected based on political alignment.
now basic math is eluding him. He IS better off at copy+paste silly memes that only he understands


Oh I know you're agreeing with me, I just hope it gets through Ghot's fucking skull.
Member
Posts: 41,270
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Gold: 1,788.71
Mar 7 2020 07:21pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 7 2020 07:01pm)
France has twice as many infections as the US (they are right next to Italy so that makes sense) and roughly the same amount of people have died. That means the French are twice as good at treating patients as America is. If I were an elderly person, I would NOT want to be in this country because we have shit healthcare for the average person.

IMO, South Korea has done a remarkable job treating its population. 7000 cases and less than 50 deaths. If South Korea's healthcare was as bad as America's, over 300 people would be dead.



I think the difference between South Korea and here is they have ramped upped testing to levels we haven’t even touched. Mortality will decrease over time as our testing methods improve because guarantee there are more in the community that are positive who haven’t been tested (who will never need formal medical treatment). In contrast SK has been very aggressive in terms of their testing. As testing improves worldwide I think we will see numbers closer to S. Korea’s 0.6% and likely better

In Iowa (Des Moines) we won’t even get kits to test for 2 weeks. University of Iowa also has reportedly run out of the initial kits they were sent

This post was edited by Bazi on Mar 7 2020 07:22pm
Member
Posts: 40,852
Joined: Sep 17 2011
Gold: 0.00
Mar 7 2020 07:24pm
'Socialist' Vietnam has done even better because their healthcare system is fucking A grade and they actually work to stop illness rather than profit from it.

Vietnam is a good case study in what happens when you put the wellbeing of your citizens ahead of profit.

This post was edited by MxVivianWulf on Mar 7 2020 07:26pm
Member
Posts: 50,899
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,836.00
Mar 7 2020 08:10pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 7 2020 06:01pm)
I'm in a similar situation but mine was in LA in mid February. It's quite likely that we got some sort of rhinovirus or flu but we'll never know.


If doctors can't tell the difference between various upper respiratory infections I sure as hell can't, so yeah I'd say < 1% odds
Member
Posts: 9,155
Joined: May 11 2009
Gold: 5.01
Mar 7 2020 08:44pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 7 2020 07:01pm)
France has twice as many infections as the US (they are right next to Italy so that makes sense) and roughly the same amount of people have died. That means the French are twice as good at treating patients as America is. If I were an elderly person, I would NOT want to be in this country because we have shit healthcare for the average person.

IMO, South Korea has done a remarkable job treating its population. 7000 cases and less than 50 deaths. If South Korea's healthcare was as bad as America's, over 300 people would be dead.


There are so many other variables at play skewing your numbers.... The average US citizen is already more unhealthy than the average south korean or european. US is the most obese nation on the planet, large swaths of elderly. I'm curious how the virus will impact cities/suburbs vs rural. The rural hospital and clinics around me would not be able to handle large % of the small town population being infected, and the 'expertise' of the doctors/nurses there is questionable.
Member
Posts: 105,145
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Mar 7 2020 10:09pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 7 2020 08:01pm)
France has twice as many infections as the US (they are right next to Italy so that makes sense) and roughly the same amount of people have died. That means the French are twice as good at treating patients as America is. If I were an elderly person, I would NOT want to be in this country because we have shit healthcare for the average person.

IMO, South Korea has done a remarkable job treating its population. 7000 cases and less than 50 deaths. If South Korea's healthcare was as bad as America's, over 300 people would be dead.



This is EXACTLY why infections/death doesn't work. For example, were all those counted as infected with CV by the French... actually infected IN France?
It's pretty hard to be factually inaccurate about where someone dies.

I'm sorry that the results from deaths/population doesn't fit well with your... "theories". When we are discussing how FAST an infection spreads we need numbers that are particular to a certain country. The only two datum that are provably particular to a certain country would be deaths from CV and population.

Member
Posts: 105,145
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,475.00
Mar 8 2020 12:31am




























Member
Posts: 54,172
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Mar 8 2020 12:34am
Quote (thundercock @ 8 Mar 2020 02:01)
France has twice as many infections as the US (they are right next to Italy so that makes sense) and roughly the same amount of people have died. That means the French are twice as good at treating patients as America is. If I were an elderly person, I would NOT want to be in this country because we have shit healthcare for the average person.

IMO, South Korea has done a remarkable job treating its population. 7000 cases and less than 50 deaths. If South Korea's healthcare was as bad as America's, over 300 people would be dead.


No, it does not, lol.

Deaths per diagnosed infection is not a viable metric for inter-country comparisons as long as testing rates and diagnostic methods vary wildly between countries.
A country that does almost no testing will only see the most severe cases pop up in its "number of infected people"-part of the statistic, leading to a very inflated mortality rate.

Yes, the American healthcare system does suck, it is worse than that of France or South Korea, and elderly people have a better chance of surviving the coronavirus epidemic in these countries than in the U.S. - but this assessment has to come from past experience with these countries' healthcare systems. Such a conclusion cannot credibly be based on data which is as compromised and unreliable as the coronavirus mortality rates.




Quote (RedFromWinter @ 8 Mar 2020 03:44)
There are so many other variables at play skewing your numbers.... The average US citizen is already more unhealthy than the average south korean or european. US is the most obese nation on the planet, large swaths of elderly. I'm curious how the virus will impact cities/suburbs vs rural. The rural hospital and clinics around me would not be able to handle large % of the small town population being infected, and the 'expertise' of the doctors/nurses there is questionable.


Not true. Going by percentage of obese people, there are 15 more obese countries than the U.S., most of them Pacific islands. But even among major countries with a population in the millions, Kuwait is ahead of the U.S.:
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/most-obese-countries/

Slightly older (2016) data from the CIA has the U.S. in 12th place:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2228rank.html

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 8 2020 12:39am
Member
Posts: 43,761
Joined: Aug 27 2009
Gold: 63,142.89
Mar 8 2020 01:46am
In what countries, if any, is it appropriate to seriously talk about shutting down schools?

This post was edited by Kayeto on Mar 8 2020 01:46am
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev14849505152910Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll