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Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 29 2019 09:25pm)
libertarian super hero randpaul doesn't want the results of a republican initiated investigation run by a republican released because he wants to have an investigation into the negro that occupied the white house previously along with maybe a blowjob and an ice cream cone
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/436293-rand-paul-blocks-resolution-calling-for-mueller-report-release



Did you read your quote or you just immediately jump to some conclusion? Why is releasing the details of this investigation good but of people on the other side of the aisl bad? I appreciate Paul’s consistency.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/29/if-democrats-want-protect-rule-law-they-cant-rush-mueller-report/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.7f41f2133407&utm_source=reddit.com

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Democrats demanding the release of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s complete and unredacted report on his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election should pipe down, at least if they want to preserve a reputation for consistency. They spent over two years reminding us how important the rule of law is. They, more than anyone, should know that the law does not permit Attorney General William P. Barr to give them what they desire.

Two sets of laws and regulations govern what the attorney general can release. The first concern how any special counsel’s report should be handled. The second are those Barr cited in his summary, longstanding rules designed to protect law enforcement investigations and ongoing prosecutions.

The first set plainly envisions disclosing less rather than more of any special counsel’s investigation. The governing law and accompanying regulations were written in the aftermath of special counsel Kenneth Starr’s public release of his explosive and salacious report into a variety of allegations against President Bill Clinton. As Harvard law professor Jack Goldsmith explained at the Lawfare blog, the regulations were drafted specifically to limit public discussion of the special counsel’s investigation, and thus to provide fewer incentives for independent counsels to overstep. They were intended to make a special counsel’s investigation more like a normal criminal investigation whose conclusion is rarely, if ever, made public.

The attorney general has complied with all of the requirements of these regulations. Unless Democrats want to argue otherwise, they have no legal standing to demand he provide more information than he already has. And given the benefit of experience, Democrats might consider whether they really want to set a new precedent that encourages special counsels to be invasive and publicity-seeking.

Barr has nevertheless stated he will go further than legally required and release more information once the department reviews the document to ensure the version that is ultimately released complies with the second set of laws and regulations. In his statement, Barr specifically noted the value of these provisions, which are designed to ensure that ongoing prosecutions were not compromised and that grand jury investigations remained secret.

No one suggests those are inappropriate concerns or that Barr is improperly invoking them in regards to the report. Once again, Democrats might contemplate whether they would rather see Mueller’s full, unredacted report or whether they would prefer that the prosecutions he initiated proceed as planned, without the additional wildcard of the unredacted report thrown into the mix.

The review required to ensure the law is followed will take time. Each piece of information must be sourced and researched to see if it was either unearthed or considered by a grand jury or could be used in regards to an ongoing prosecution. One may be suspicious of unreasonable delay. But since we know from comments by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) that the report is at least 300 pages long, we are currently well within any reasonable person’s time frame for an appropriate review.

Some Democrats will presumably be unhappy with whatever they receive, as parts of the report will clearly remain secret. They might also be unhappy with the form of any release, especially if it is a separate document rather than the original report with sections redacted. But then they have forums for recourse, including federal court and their own investigative powers. The attorney general has already said he will comply with a congressional subpoena to testify on this matter.

It wasn’t that long ago when upholding the rule of law was the stated goal of Democrats and others inexorably opposed to the president. The president was not supposed to fire then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions or Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein even though he plainly had the constitutional right to do so because that would violate the rule of law. He was not supposed to fire the special counsel himself for the same reason. That argument was sound because even though Trump might have had the right to do these things, the underlying principle of the rule of law – that the law applies to all, even the rulers – would have been compromised if he had.

That underlying principle now applies to another set of rulers: Democrats in the House. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Democrats should stop demanding what they have no legal right to, and instead focus on what they have said they supported all along: protecting the rule of law.
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Since when does consistency matter in politics? When has it ever mattered?

Democrats are going to seek as much information as they can get.... and hopefully Republicans stay in their "deep state conspiracy" mode and demand the underlying evidence as well. Trump wanted to declassify FISAs some months ago... let's see what else the FBI had on Carter Page.
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Since when does consistency matter in politics? When has it ever mattered?

Democrats are going to seek as much information as they can get.... and hopefully Republicans stay in their "deep state conspiracy" mode and demand the underlying evidence as well. Trump wanted to declassify FISAs some months ago... let's see what else the FBI had on Carter Page.


They want their enemies to live to standards and have a level of honor much greater than them. And they do, but it is not exactly how they want it and they follow President Cartman so they want to take their ball and go home, but they lost Congress :)
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Mar 30 2019 11:29am
https://news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard-calls-mueller-findings-a-good-thing-in-break-from-dem-candidates-203318063.html

evil reich-wing southern conservative politician who won in a gerrymandered district says the Mueller findings are good news and we should be happy about it.

of course privileged lefty (D)s are not happy
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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 30 2019 09:39am)

this is all the video i'm going to recommend watching from the horowitz/wray testimony. there's a lot more, but for the sake of time i tried cutting a lot of the fat out.


28:00-29:02 comey summary
30:21-30:40 horo suggestion summary to FBI due to actions in the clinton investigation
1:07:58-1:16:45 comey
1:27:50-1:31:19 comey's fbi
1:34-50-1:36:15 comey thinks he's the DoJ

1:49:49-1:50:35 grossly negligient

2:02:18-2:02:40 bias summary
2:12:58-2:13:18 comey report

2:19:40-2:19:45 old guy says wangdoodle

2:33:05-2:34:41 clinton interview
2:36:33-2:37:14 obama persuades comey's subordination

i can link opinions/statements to the IG report if there are specific areas of confusion.
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More accurately would be that they continue to eat it and being in denial about it being rubber.
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Quote (excellence @ 30 Mar 2019 18:29)
https://news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard-calls-mueller-findings-a-good-thing-in-break-from-dem-candidates-203318063.html

evil reich-wing southern conservative politician who won in a gerrymandered district says the Mueller findings are good news and we should be happy about it.

of course privileged lefty (D)s are not happy


“now that Mueller has reported that his investigation revealed no such collusion, we all need to put aside our partisan interests and recognize that finding that the president of the United States did not conspire with Russia to interfere with our elections is a good thing for our country.”


how dare she? ^_^
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