Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 30 2016 07:45pm)

...on a serious note ...you should know as well as anyone that shaming people in order to change them is cruelty .

Quote (Neptunus @ Mar 30 2016 02:27pm)

I disagree. Shaming is justified for certain deeds that are unambiguously and universally regarded as immoral. Racism in it's purest definition would be one such thing. There's probably some more deeds which aren't penalized legally but would be in better control if people shamed the ones doing them. Don't get me wrong, in most scenarios we do have more constructive methods than shaming for correcting wrongs.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 30 2016 08:33pm)

...why do you think shaming someone for being a racist would work because I think it far more likely it will make them defensive and much more likely to further embrace their racist views ?

Quote (Neptunus @ Mar 30 2016 07:14pm)

Shame first, understand them later. It's still a natural part of the human experience. We're ashamed of and embarrassed by a lot of things, when it occurs in moderation it serves as a corrective mechanism to make people more in sync with each other in a community or society.

It's the same thing as with penalties. The harsher the penalty, the worse the rehabilitative effect. But we still have to have some penalties to serve as deterrents. These deterrents, including shame, just come with diminishing returns.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 30 2016 02:29pm)

I think though, and this is to Widow's point, that there's a difference between shaming "racism" v shaming "a racist". Approaching someone who is a racist and attempting to shame them, either individually or in a public setting, isn't really going to accomplish much in regards to changing their opinion.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 30 2016 10:32am)

...how do you know if someone's a vegan ? ...don't worry , they'll tell you ...gotta be one of the truest memes ever :)

Quote (AspenSniper @ Mar 30 2016 02:46pm)

I had really bad acne at one point in my life until Accutane cleared it up. I recall a million people telling me their genius original ideas like "proactive" as if I'd never heard of that or tried it before. People think they're being helpful, but naturally I see the fucking mirror and I can't do anything to fix it otherwise I would. It struck me that it was socially acceptable to point out the bumps on my face, but it's wrong to point out someone's fat ass. So after a few months I started, after hearing their genius remedies such as drinking lemon water, rubbing crushed up ibuprofen on my face, etc., I would reply "Wow thanks for the tip about my unfixable problem, I've heard of this original concept myself calling "jogging" or maybe it's "yogging," it might be a soft J (Anchorman line :) ) you should really try it to fix the physical appearance of your double chin and enlarged stomach." The look on these people's faces was fucking priceless. They have completely fixable issues (most of the time) by eating better and running, while I had something I medically couldn't fix, yet it's acceptable to "help" me but I can't "help" them?

Anyways, that's just a story, but yeah I don't mind fat shaming because I have to pay higher taxes because I have to pay their future healthcare costs because of their lack of self control. Yes, bash fatties just as you bash smokers, please, save our country and improve my bank account status.

Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Mar 31 2016 09:39am)

I thought you were going to say that your experience with acne has taught you that not everyone can help looking unhealthy, despite popular belief. I thought that your failure to fix acne had made you understand that there are people who try to lose weight but can't.

Guess I expected too much of you there.

Quote (MikkelGe @ Mar 31 2016 10:40am)

Are you arguing that they can't because of physical reasons or because of mental dependency?

Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Mar 31 2016 09:44am)

Some people are mentally not strong enough for it. I have no sympathy for those -- they should simply man up and take responsibility over their own actions.

There's a minority of people who are overweight because of medical reasons though. I personally don't believe these people deserve to be hated on.