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Nov 6 2024 06:23am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 6 2024 07:12am)
That will only hasten and make BRICS more and more relevant. Stupid move.
Some of them are already using CIPs for transaction not Swift.

This move will practically put the world back to a semi bi polar / multi polar world.
And we will be facing a real potential all out Nuclear War.

EU will practically die off unless they conquer and control the entire mid east and fleece their fossil fuel.
They can't afford to buy premium American OnG on a long term basis.


American hegemony is still easily on the table. The current administration may have fucked it up to no end, but I wouldn't count out Uncle Sam's ability to restore Pax Americana. (At the detriment of the EU, of course.)

I believe that a quick and decisive peace plan for Ukraine while simultaneously bombing the Middle East back to the Stone Age will warrant higher gas prices at the pump. The trumpsters definitely going to shake things up policy-wise, but time will tell, i guess. The alytollah is definitely big mad right now

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Nov 6 2024 06:24am
Quote (Thebarba @ Nov 6 2024 08:12am)
actually he's the winner, in the US you need 270 electoral college votes to win and he has passed that threshold


Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 6 2024 08:15am)
He lost in 2020 and that makes him a loser for life nonetheless. Sure be banged supermodels and became president twice and survived a bullet to the head and has a 6'9" son and is a billionaire but he's still a loser


I'm Catholic so my view of whether someone is a loser might differ from you fellas. Character and integrity are higher on my list than net worth, status, or banging supermodels. I know, I'm extremely uncool.
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Nov 6 2024 06:26am
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 6 2024 08:21am)
It sounds to me like you're trying to claim that all the lefty BS attacks on Trump... were valid.


Not sure what you mean, I'm listing facts. You can just Google them.
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Nov 6 2024 06:26am
this is the greatest comeback of all time, years of getting dragged everywhere all the way to almost getting murdered in broad daylight and now he decisively won the election

even the unreachable popular vote goes to him

what a win
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Nov 6 2024 06:27am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 07:24am)
I'm Catholic so my view of whether someone is a loser might differ from you fellas. Character and integrity are higher on my list than net worth, status, or banging supermodels. I know, I'm extremely uncool.


How high do jokes rank in your hierarchy of values
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Nov 6 2024 06:28am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 06:17am)
I'm not big on the "Trump is a fascist" rhetoric, cause that's a word I'm not even sure I understand, and him winning this election so decisively is not America choosing fascism or authoritarianism. The vast majority of people voted for him either without knowledge of, or in spite of, his authoritarian tendencies. Basically nobody, not even Goom, voted for Trump because he wants to pardon the people who beat up cops on January 6th. Almost nobody voted for him because he fantasized on stage about Liz Cheney being shot in the face. Nobody voted for him because of his numerous crimes. The vast majority of these 70+ million people never even heard about these things, or their knowledge and interest is so shallow that other issues simply overwhelmed them.

So, this is bad, I don't want to pretend it's not. But Trump winning is simply not an affirmation of all of his badness. Americans don't want Trump's enemies to be shot. They don't want America to not be a democracy.


Actually that's a big part of why I support Trump this time around. Not specifically those who beat cops, rather I want him to pardon those who got inordinately long sentences for what should be misdemeanor trespassing or riot charges. In fact, I'd say it plays into my #1 reason to support Trump this time around, which is the infringement on our civil liberties and totalitarian threat of neoliberals who wish to weaponize every lever of government to maintain their power at all costs. That's been my biggest motivation. Because the democrats were willing to corrupt our justice system to charge him with bogus crimes, because our democracy can't survive such unrestricted abuses of power, because Trump in his first term had the good sense to put in someone like Bill Barr who had the integrity to stand up to Trump when Trump lost his sense.

I've pretty consistently for uh, decades now, declared myself as a diehard civil libertarian and the main care I have for government is how our civil liberties can be trampled by a corrupt DoJ, judiciary, prosecutors and president. At the state, local and federal levels. When Derek Chauvin and Kim Potter were fed to a rioting mob despite proof of their innocence. When the New York AG was elected on an explicit promise to prosecute and convict Trump of a crime- like I love to compare to Beria- without even knowing what that crime would be. When Obama spied on Trump's campaign. When Biden sent agents to raid Mar-a-Lago. When Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro were thrown in prison. When the guy who received Ashley Biden's diary and chose not to publish it because it wasn't newsworthy had his house raided by storm troopers and got arrested and throw in prison. For all the critics and journalists silenced and arrested and imprisoned, for all the Trump officials locked up over bullshit causes.

The January 6th rioters were basically modern day lynching victims. Nobody deserves to spend a decade in prison for walking passively around the capitol taking selfies before leaving without damaging anything. Maybe a few weeks, or suspended sentences. And the fact the total failure of crowd control to restrain the rioting mob and protect it from itself has not been actually investigated or a post mortem done to ensure these kinds of tragedies can't happen again- is another example of the corrupting influence of a partisan win-at-all-costs attitude.

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Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 07:26am)
Not sure what you mean, I'm listing facts. You can just Google them.





We both know that MSM and the universities, were purchased by the left. And they still lost the presidency and the Senate, and probably won't take the House.
Please try not to just "refuse to see" what the left has been doing. That's... disingenuous, my friend.


I mean humans have known for millennia, that whoever controls the information... controls.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Nov 6 2024 07:26am)
this is the greatest comeback of all time, years of getting dragged everywhere all the way to almost getting murdered in broad daylight and now he decisively won the election

even the unreachable popular vote goes to him

what a win


Could have been a race, instead democrats tried to first put up a corpse then some unelected low charisma person thinking pumping hundreds of millions are somehow going to buy over support
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Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 06:17am)
I'm not big on the "Trump is a fascist" rhetoric, cause that's a word I'm not even sure I understand, and him winning this election so decisively is not America choosing fascism or authoritarianism. The vast majority of people voted for him either without knowledge of, or in spite of, his authoritarian tendencies. Basically nobody, not even Goom, voted for Trump because he wants to pardon the people who beat up cops on January 6th. Almost nobody voted for him because he fantasized on stage about Liz Cheney being shot in the face. Nobody voted for him because of his numerous crimes. The vast majority of these 70+ million people never even heard about these things, or their knowledge and interest is so shallow that other issues simply overwhelmed them.

So, this is bad, I don't want to pretend it's not. But Trump winning is simply not an affirmation of all of his badness. Americans don't want Trump's enemies to be shot. They don't want America to not be a democracy.


You are pretending though. The result is a reflection of Americans voting logically over emotionally. Trump clearly promoted the policies Americans are in desperate need of, Kamala copied many of them after the fact. People voted the policy packages, not so much the character. Regardless of how you feel about a candidate, the country needs to be run. The last 4 years have been hell. I've got my own personal anecdotes, it's been really weird last 4 years specifically with dealing with crime, inflation, no houses, insane medical price with low quality and long wait times, education inequities growing in rural.

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Nov 6 2024 06:34am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 08:17am)
Basically nobody, not even Goom, voted for Trump because he wants to pardon the people who beat up cops on January 6th.


Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 6 2024 08:28am)
Actually that's a big part of why I support Trump this time around. Not specifically those who beat cops.


Ah. Ok. Thanks for confirming.

Glad Goom is on the record opposing Trump pardoning the Jan 6thers who assaulted police officers. Not sure why that's a debatable issue but here we are.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 6 2024 06:35am
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