Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 06:17am)
I'm not big on the "Trump is a fascist" rhetoric, cause that's a word I'm not even sure I understand, and him winning this election so decisively is not America choosing fascism or authoritarianism. The vast majority of people voted for him either without knowledge of, or in spite of, his authoritarian tendencies. Basically nobody, not even Goom, voted for Trump because he wants to pardon the people who beat up cops on January 6th. Almost nobody voted for him because he fantasized on stage about Liz Cheney being shot in the face. Nobody voted for him because of his numerous crimes. The vast majority of these 70+ million people never even heard about these things, or their knowledge and interest is so shallow that other issues simply overwhelmed them.
So, this is bad, I don't want to pretend it's not. But Trump winning is simply not an affirmation of all of his badness. Americans don't want Trump's enemies to be shot. They don't want America to not be a democracy.
Actually that's a big part of why I support Trump this time around. Not specifically those who beat cops, rather I want him to pardon those who got inordinately long sentences for what should be misdemeanor trespassing or riot charges. In fact, I'd say it plays into my #1 reason to support Trump this time around, which is the infringement on our civil liberties and totalitarian threat of neoliberals who wish to weaponize every lever of government to maintain their power at all costs. That's been my biggest motivation. Because the democrats were willing to corrupt our justice system to charge him with bogus crimes, because our democracy can't survive such unrestricted abuses of power, because Trump in his first term had the good sense to put in someone like Bill Barr who had the integrity to stand up to Trump when Trump lost his sense.
I've pretty consistently for uh, decades now, declared myself as a diehard civil libertarian and the main care I have for government is how our civil liberties can be trampled by a corrupt DoJ, judiciary, prosecutors and president. At the state, local and federal levels. When Derek Chauvin and Kim Potter were fed to a rioting mob despite proof of their innocence. When the New York AG was elected on an explicit promise to prosecute and convict Trump of a crime- like I love to compare to Beria- without even knowing what that crime would be. When Obama spied on Trump's campaign. When Biden sent agents to raid Mar-a-Lago. When Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro were thrown in prison. When the guy who received Ashley Biden's diary and
chose not to publish it because it wasn't newsworthy had his house raided by storm troopers and got arrested and throw in prison. For all the critics and journalists silenced and arrested and imprisoned, for all the Trump officials locked up over bullshit causes.
The January 6th rioters were basically modern day lynching victims. Nobody deserves to spend a decade in prison for walking passively around the capitol taking selfies before leaving without damaging anything. Maybe a few weeks, or suspended sentences. And the fact the total failure of crowd control to restrain the rioting mob and protect it from itself has not been actually investigated or a post mortem done to ensure these kinds of tragedies can't happen again- is another example of the corrupting influence of a partisan win-at-all-costs attitude.
This post was edited by Goomshill on Nov 6 2024 06:30am