Hence the conflict is not about land.

Let me ask you this:

Sunni and Shia muslims kill eachother all over the region
Suddenly the join forces when its Israel?

If you are really interested in peace between Muslims and Jews in Israel.
Maybe your government can do some modifications as to how you try to assimilate Palestinians into your region and area.

My country was rather successful and after 50 years there isn't really enormity between races. Everyone is fairly well to do and the Muslims are very peaceful and well educated.

But you will need some laws that might go against your " democracy " or so called " human rights " in a sense.
But it works and it works very well.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 7 2023 09:00am

This “entity” would have been established which or without the UN.
Btw, Jordan was established by the UN as well so what’s the big deal ?

This is a loaded of a question and will take time to actually answer it.

I have long been this isn’t an primarily about land but rather poor intentions, with multiple parties, across multiple decades

It triggered people when I said it a couple hundred pages ago but Hamas did not come to power on its own, and would not have come to power without western help.

Hamas has been a poor actor ever since its inception but for reasons the Israeli government showed lenience to them over the more moderate PLO

Have said, before this conflict, and countless times that as long as Hamas exists there is not going to be a reasonable outcome. Yet Netanyahu continued to indirectly support Hamas off and on over the last 12+ years. The top 5 leaders in Hamas have a cumulative net worth of over 10 billion (conservative estimate) combined. Process this figure for a moment, and then say they care the tiniest shit about Gaza population whom they claim to represent.

This isn’t as much about Sunni and shia as it is about Iran trying to throw shit from the sidelines without getting its hands dirty.

There's no "big deal" and I don't have time travel superpower.

Front page of CNN: "after suffering head injury"



These people are sick

This is why we are in this shit hole in the first place
If the media was legit
Everything was different

nobody is forcing you to consume the media provided.

this is not accurate ( from my point of view as an Israeli who lives\work near Arabs ). my service in the IDF was mostly right on the borders, and over there you can find diverse Arab mentality and perception.

Iran see those Gaza civilians as dogs, at best.
so before* you compare between those two Islamic flows you gotta understand how the radicals ( i.e Hamas, Hezbollah ) speak. and by speak, i mean in the most simple way a normal human being can imagine.

those radicals do not appreciate land and\or territory, what drives them is a blind hate coming from some primitive belief that they are here for Jihad. by Jihad it means - Islamtopia, exterminate the Jews state, exterminate the western ways.. etc.

now those radicals are not representing the same Muslim world, i have no issues with the Arabs around me.. hell i am buying cofee from the same Muslim for 15 years. i do not care about his beliefs as long as he doesn't care about mine.

the same radicals in the middle east and mostly around us, are speaking brutality ( raping foreging woman = humiliation for them and that's a good thing ) an example of how they think.
those brutes know fear when it comes in the form of MASSIVE MASSIVE and out of control fire power and in general killing them without any moral or standard.

now Israel's weakness in my opinion, is that we are focused and extremely good at ( if not the best ) defending our civilians when it comes to warfare ( iron dome and more layers i wont mention etc.. )

the major focus on defensive things, makes our abilities less "going crazy on offense" since we are also surrounded by a lot of land that is hostile around us.

so several things i constantly see when foreigners speak about the those issues, is that they belief we are going berserk in Gaza. not even by a long shot, exactly the opposite.

if you take Assad for example, one can understand why every Arab from Israel that lives in Israel is living the life of a king if* his roots is in Syria. Assad killed hunderds of thousands of his own people,
and this how Arabs speak and spoken when they want to silence something - with primitive brute unimaginable force ( that comes in chemical bombs ).

radical Arabs fear brute inhuman millitary force in the forms of "the owner went crazy, all cards are on the table". always been like that..

outsiders FAIL* to see why Israel is always coming back to same circle.. it's because we are exactly the opposite.

it's on of the hardest things to explain, i know those guys for 20 years +-.. it's that simple.

English is not my main lang and i type fast so maybe i made some grammer mistakes. not sure.

I think I understand the gist of what you’re saying here and agree that there is no respect for Hamas, amongst , Iran - merely they are leveraging Hamas. I think religion is also being leveraged to radicalize a society of angry children (Gaza) who have undoubtedly experienced loss in their lifetimes

I also agree that Muslims and Jews can live peacefully alongside - looking no further than Israel as an example of this

My main point is that you need leaders of both respective parties that are interested in peace and identity politics. Hamas was NEVER going to be a good faith partner in the quest for peace