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Nov 7 2023 08:15am
Quote (aabdel20 @ 7 Nov 2023 22:08)
Two state solution wont work. Westbank is too fragmented with settlements for Palestine to have a unified state. Also to play devils advocate here it would be a security risk for Israel for Palestine to have a soverign nation and own borders. Imagine freely allowing Iranians or other hostile groups into the country that are hostilebl towards Israel?

One state solution wont work. That would destroy the Jewish identity as a majority

My solution? A radical two state solution. Move the entire gaza population into westbank. Israel annexes gaza and moves all the settlements into gaza with exception of settlements near west jerusalem. East jerusalem capital of palestine. West jerusalem capital of israel. Joint military by both members to defend botb nations


Quote (Many_Names @ 7 Nov 2023 22:11)
I completely agree with this
Joint military only after decade or two passed with complete quiet and collaboration


But you have to somehow keep the demographics of the Palestinians on low levels or have the Jewish community's population level at a 75 / 25 percent or 80 / 20 percent for it to work.
And Palestinians should not join the military in the first 30 to 50 years thereabouts , but they can hold top jobs in the police / Fire Department , those sort of things.
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Nov 7 2023 08:25am
Quote (Budgeting @ Nov 7 2023 08:13am)
palestinian supporters in the west murdered a jewish man by smacking him in the head with a megaphone. so much for peaceful demonstrations.


This is one way to say it

Palestinian supporter assaults and kills elderly Jewish man with megaphone. Palestinian supporters at the rally came to his aid and called ems.

Both statements are correct. There is a video of a woman with Palestinian colors (or a flag idk) holding his head on her lap while they are waiting

The 33 year old mom and 7 year old Palestinian kid stabbed to death in IL

Hate crimes will continue to rise

Sad that even In America we can’t escape the violence
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Nov 7 2023 08:37am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 7 2023 08:15am)
But you have to somehow keep the demographics of the Palestinians on low levels or have the Jewish community's population level at a 75 / 25 percent or 80 / 20 percent for it to work.
And Palestinians should not join the military in the first 30 to 50 years thereabouts , but they can hold top jobs in the police / Fire Department , those sort of things.


Are you referring to demographics of the joint military?
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Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 7 2023 08:11am)
I completely agree with this
Joint military only after decade or two passed with complete quiet and collaboration


Fair point
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Nov 7 2023 08:38am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 7 Nov 2023 16:15)
But you have to somehow keep the demographics of the Palestinians on low levels or have the Jewish community's population level at a 75 / 25 percent or 80 / 20 percent for it to work.
And Palestinians should not join the military in the first 30 to 50 years thereabouts , but they can hold top jobs in the police / Fire Department , those sort of things.


He is talking about 2 states solution with different borders
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Nov 7 2023 08:40am
Quote (Bazi @ 7 Nov 2023 16:25)
This is one way to say it

Palestinian supporter assaults and kills elderly Jewish man with megaphone. Palestinian supporters at the rally came to his aid and called ems.

Both statements are correct. There is a video of a woman with Palestinian colors (or a flag idk) holding his head on her lap while they are waiting

The 33 year old mom and 7 year old Palestinian kid stabbed to death in IL

Hate crimes will continue to rise

Sad that even In America we can’t escape the violence


You described the entire problem in the middle east

I didnt hear about the second incident tho

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 7 2023 08:42am
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Nov 7 2023 08:41am
Quote (aabdel20 @ Nov 7 2023 08:08am)
Two state solution wont work. Westbank is too fragmented with settlements for Palestine to have a unified state. Also to play devils advocate here it would be a security risk for Israel for Palestine to have a soverign nation and own borders. Imagine freely allowing Iranians or other hostile groups into the country that are hostilebl towards Israel?

One state solution wont work. That would destroy the Jewish identity as a majority

My solution? A radical two state solution. Move the entire gaza population into westbank. Israel annexes gaza and moves all the settlements into gaza with exception of settlements near west jerusalem. East jerusalem capital of palestine. West jerusalem capital of israel. Joint military by both members to defend botb nations


Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 7 2023 08:11am)
I completely agree with this
Joint military only after decade or two passed with complete quiet and collaboration


:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

Imagine if you two were the leaders of respective parties
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Quote (aabdel20 @ 7 Nov 2023 22:37)
Are you referring to demographics of the joint military?


Quote (Many_Names @ 7 Nov 2023 22:38)
He is talking about 2 states solution with different borders


Just my thoughts, I know you guys might not agree. On paper it is a 2 state solution but to be honest it is somewhat of a one state situation , with Palestine as some sort of a Special Administrative Region.

As for demographics , I am talking about the population of both Jews and Palestinian citizens.
And from the start you cannot have the Palestinians in a joint military with the IDF. As a matter of fact they can't have a military.
A joint Police task force is a better solution.
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Nov 7 2023 08:49am
I hate to disturb but If it was a matter of drawing a border between two nations then the conflict would have been resolved already..
it’s not. I wrote about it couple of years back in this forum and received rather harsh comments. Palestinians need to make hard concessions. For example to give up the “right to return” which was the bedrock of all prevues negotiations which went down the drain..
a nation that wants self determination COMPROMISE. Going back to 1948 (they wish) ain’t gonna happen and they need to understand that.
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Nov 7 2023 08:50am
Quote (Many_Names @ 7 Nov 2023 13:32)
Its not the same level we are not calling for the end of muslims or muslim countries

Hypocrite


I am not an "Hypocrite". Alot of people, groups, countries, are guilty: It can be those who closed their (interested) eyes during the creation of this entity in 1947, those who are weaponizing it since decades, those who are fuelling terrorism (no doubt it's a terrible thing, and they don't really care about the Palestinian people & related refugees), or those who are saying "Hitler" 3 times into a mirror. Maybe I am not living there but for anyone with very minimal intelligence: this is a shitty situation and Israel far right gov is not the holy spirit.

And... Those who are giving lessons or delivering remarks, countries likes China, India, or Brasil (not including Russia since they are on the terrorists side or at least on the spreading Chaos side)...
They could act and be guilty in the exact same ways if they were involved. Everyone's the same.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 7 2023 08:55am
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