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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 2 Dec 2021 22:51)
The right is generally okay with coroporations on virtually everything. They were and are fine with censorship as long as its censorship they like. There is no ideological stance to anything you've listed as them being against. It's purely a case of "If it happens to me its bad".

Democrats are still on the right, which is why they are also generally don't put up real resistance to corporations on almost anything.
The left in America are the ones who actively propose things that will take away corporate power.


Meh. You can replace "left" with "left of the political center" in my previous post and the core message remains the same.
Also, you're constantly bringing up sins of the past, from a time when the Christian right was the center of gravity of the GOP. With the tea party movement and later trumpism, this center of gravity has shifted towards a more secular brand of populism/nationalism.

Maybe the following is horribly naive or out of touch, but I genuinely believe that the censorship experience of the past few years has turned a lot of conservatives more principled on the issue of free speech.



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America doesn't lack a national healthcare system for any practical reason. It's because corporate power would suffer as people are no longer tied to their jobs for health insurance. and both parties, Democrats and Republicans, like that being the state of affairs.

Well, at least that's something we can agree on. ;)
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Meh. You can replace "left" with "left of the political center" in my previous post and the core message remains the same.
Also, you're constantly bringing up sins of the past, from a time when the Christian right was the center of gravity of the GOP. With the tea party movement and later trumpism, this center of gravity has shifted towards a more secular brand of populism/nationalism.

Maybe the following is horribly naive or out of touch, but I genuinely believe that the censorship experience of the past few years has turned a lot of conservatives more principled on the issue of free speech.

Well, at least that's something we can agree on. ;)


Left of political center in the U.S. is still center-right. Still very pro-corporate. Still doesn't give much of a shit about workers, but might feign that they do. Trump talked a big game about bringing jobs back and then did jack shit.

You are confusing conservatives yelling about it with conservatives being better. Conservatives still do a shit load of censorship. Look at "books being banned for CRT" as an example, when in reality they are just teaching about the life of MLK. The difference is when Republicans want to censor something you tend to just fall for the propaganda. See again, the entire CRT issue.

Hell, books being banned from schools and libraries for containing LGBT themes is still a massive problem all over the country.

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Left of political center in the U.S. is still center-right.

You are confusing conservatives yelling about it with conservatives being better. Conservatives still do a shit load of censorship. Look at "books being banned for CRT" as an example, when in reality they are just teaching about the life of MLK. The difference is when Republicans want to censor something you tend to just fall for the propaganda. See again, the entire CRT issue.


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Source?


https://popular.info/p/moms-for-liberty-says-book-about

"Moms for Liberty" use anti-CRT law to report a book about MLK as being "anti-American".


This happens CONSTANTLY in America, but you don't usually hear about it because in America conservative censorship is still the background everything is compared against.



Honestly you should look into groups like The Daughters of the Confederacy and see how they shaped American schooling to teach that slavery wasn't that bad and such.

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https://popular.info/p/moms-for-liberty-says-book-about

"Moms for Liberty" use anti-CRT law to report a book about MLK as being "anti-American".



To kill a mockingbird. What say you?

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conservatives censoring LGBT books and honest history is not news to blackx. he knows that. it just doesn't fit into his "free speech" narrative, so he acts dumb, asks for sources (only to ignore or dismiss them), and will either downplay the organised censorship efforts, or simply not reply at all - just to act dumb next time it's brought up after he hilariously claims that conservatives are pro free speech, lol.
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https://popular.info/p/moms-for-liberty-says-book-about

"Moms for Liberty" use anti-CRT law to report a book about MLK as being "anti-American".

How big/influential/powerful is this "Moms for Liberty" group? Generally speaking, a group reporting a book doesn't automatically mean that it will actually end up being censored.



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Honestly you should look into groups like The Daughters of the Confederacy and see how they shaped American schooling to teach that slavery wasn't that bad and such.

I'm well aware of the Daughters of the Confederacy and their history. Doesn't mean that history is destined to repeat itself.



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conservatives censoring LGBT books and honest history is not news to blackx. he knows that. it just doesn't fit into his "free speech" narrative, so he acts dumb, asks for sources (only to ignore or dismiss them), and will either downplay the organised censorship efforts, or simply not reply at all - just to act dumb next time it's brought up after he hilariously claims that conservatives are pro free speech, lol.

You mean LGBT books intended for preschoolers and "honest history" like the 1619 project? :lol:


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How big/influential/powerful is this "Moms for Liberty" group? Generally speaking, a group reporting a book doesn't automatically mean that it will actually end up being censored.




I'm well aware of the Daughters of the Confederacy and their history. Doesn't mean that history is destined to repeat itself.




You mean LGBT books intended for preschoolers and "honest history" like the 1619 project? :lol:




no, you dishonest hack, i mean organised pushes to challenge and censor LGBT literature all over the nation: https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks
i mean honest history about slavery, mlk, indigenous people, the confederacy, civil rights movement...

again, you know that, it just doesn't fit into your narrative, that's why you're so desperate to play it down as reasonable / negligible... just like i predicted.

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How big/influential/powerful is this "Moms for Liberty" group? Generally speaking, a group reporting a book doesn't automatically mean that it will actually end up being censored.

I'm well aware of the Daughters of the Confederacy and their history. Doesn't mean that history is destined to repeat itself.

You mean LGBT books intended for preschoolers and "honest history" like the 1619 project? :lol:


That wasn't meant to be a single "gotcha". It's emblematic of consistent efforts that aren't new or unique.

If you were actually aware you would realize a lot of the "lost cause" myth propagated by organizations like TDOC are still taught in schools today. History doesn't need to repeat itself. It never stopped.

Dude like dozens of users at this point, including me to you previously, have posted lists of most commonly banned books from libraries. Do you just not pay attention when it's not convenient? The most frequent reason for banning a book all over the country is LGBTQ themes. Bringing up the 1619 project is pure whataboutism.


Here's a fun one. DeSantis passed a law in Florida that made it illegal for protesters to block traffic so he could target BLM. When Cubans were protesting and blocking the street all over the state he never used that authority once because he liked the content of the protest.

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https://i.imgur.com/SAQIa9h.jpg

no, you dishonest hack, i mean organised pushes to challenge and censor LGBT literature all over the nation: https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks
i mean honest history about slavery, mlk, indigenous people, the confederacy, civil rights movement...

again, you know that, it just doesn't fit into your narrative, that's why you're so desperate to play it down as reasonable / negligible... just like i predicted.

https://i.imgur.com/RbgNCeH.jpg


that garbage has no place in schools whatsoever

i am still against any kind of censorship though and in a healthy society this discussion wouldnt even exist

i love how some of these religious fanatics put harry potter on that list :rofl:
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