Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 8 2022 09:33am)

Both maintained and claimed.

When you claim something you are threatening others with violence if they attempt to claim it themselves. This is independent of improvement or labor. I don't need to do labor on something to claim it as my own.

If nobody else is around you haven't claimed anything. You merely are on the land.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 8 2022 10:23am)

Yes, I'm just saying we need to acknowledge that property is an inhibition on freedom. It's a really simple point, kind of like the genders as constructs from last week, or the idea that we haven't actually used gender as a stand-in for genitals from like last year.

It's not as complicated as you always seem to want it to be :P A lot of the time I'm just wanting acknowledgement of a very simple point so we can move to better discussions later.


In an absolute sense, it is an impeadment of freedom to restrict others from things (i.e. claiming something as your property). That's a pretty simple and not really controversial claim right?

Quote (Santara @ Apr 8 2022 10:35am)

I'm not talking about claiming, in some vague proclamation type of claiming, I'm saying claiming by doing work to claim. Whether that's placing fences, posting signs, planting crops, terraforming, whatever. The "threat of violence to others" is maintaining, not claiming.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2022 10:38am)

arguing a point no one disagrees with as if they do, hmm im sure there must be a logical fallacy for that but i cant remember the name.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 8 2022 10:40am)

your claim only exists if it accompanies a threat of violence. You can put up as many fences as you want but if there isn't a threat of violence for unauthorized crossing of the fence you don't have a claim. You can post signs and build a house, but if I can come in and use anything I want without consequences your "claim" doesn't exist.



Making sure we agree on the most basic of points isn't a fallacy. It is, in fact, necessary for discussion.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2022 10:46am)

not really, you're looking at libertarian freedom as a concept, then deflecting to an absurd concept that doesnt work in practice, in order to get libertarians to admit they dont agree with that concept in an attempt to drop a "gotcha u dont really like freedom." we both know that. but u can lie and say you're not doing that if it pleases u lol.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 8 2022 10:51am)

:rolleyes:

It's actually to highlight that freedom is more complex than that and to demonstrate that it has many more dimensions than is typically represented. But whatever you need to believe I guess.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2022 10:57am)

to highlight its complexities we must dumb it down to a level no one wants?

kek.

all to prove the strawman no one disagrees with that freedom is complex.

kekek.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 8 2022 11:05am)

Okay sirthom

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2022 11:21am)

if u cant respond to what i posted maybe just dont post, this dodge is as transparent as your last ploy for the gotcha. maybe try being more covert and less predictable idk lol.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 8 2022 11:31am)

There's no reason to respond to you intentionally misrepresenting me lol

Might as well be talking to cam when you get like this

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and to be clear, you get like this any time you feel your identity is threatened. You tie libertarianism to your identity, just like you did when we talked about Magic The Gathering.