Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 11:45pm)

One of the key pieces of evidence in the trial was the FBI footage of the altercation between Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum which proves that he killed him in self-defense. FBI circles must have known that it was most likely self-defense since the day after.

I don't think its far fetched that Trump was either shown the footage, or that someone from within the FBI passed this info to the AG or some staffer in the WH, who then gave it to Trump.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 20 2021 05:50am)

In that case I'd say neither are wrong. Politifact doesn't have those FBI videos, and Trump had them. Trump didn't say "Videos I have from the FBI show XXXX" he just made a claim, and Trump is a serial liar, so politifact absolutely should not take his word.

Quote (SanduLungu @ Nov 19 2021 11:53pm)

you must be olympic champion at mental gymnastics :))

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 20 Nov 2021 06:50)

In that case I'd say neither are wrong. Politifact doesn't have those FBI videos, and Trump had them. Trump didn't say "Videos I have from the FBI show XXXX" he just made a claim, and Trump is a serial liar, so politifact absolutely should not take his word.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 20 2021 05:54am)

If what you say is true or false depends on what you have a good reason to believe. If I say "You murdered your wife" and have no evidence or first hand knowledge, then I am a liar even if you just happened to shoot your wife last night.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 09:36pm)

We know from the court proceedings that Rittenhouse was indeed "trying to get away from them" and that he was indeed violently attacked by Rosenbaum, Huber and another protester. So, which of Trump's statements is factually incorrect?




Here is how politifact justified its "false" rating:


He was indeed violently attacked, without any deriding braces.


Are they fucking serious?


By the time he fell, he had already killed a person in blatant and crystal-clear self-defense, a person who was a criminal and who had violently attacked him in the first place. The pursuit and attack by Huber, Grosskreutz and others on Rittenhouse were not nearly as legally or morally justified as politifact is insinuating here. Those who followed and attacked him were at least as much of a vigilante as Rittenhouse himself.




So, after the trial and the evidence and testimonies we heard during it, it's clear that 1. every single thing Trump said was factual and 2. that every single reason politifact came up with to rate Trump's statement as "false (because misleading)" was incorrect. Trump had actually painted an accurate, rather than a misleading, picture of the events and politifact pulled contorted bullshit out of its ass because they desperately wanted to rate his statement as "false".

Quote (thundercock @ 20 Nov 2021 07:01)

I would have rated it as mostly false or half-true. Trump made it seem like the people chasing him had no reason to chase him (which is obviously false because he had indeed shot someone). Context matters which is why I gave you more context. Now, if Trump had just said that Kyle was a hero, then that would have been a true statement.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 10:14pm)

I read his statement more in the sense of "Kyle was the victim during the altercation with Huber and the guy who jump kicked him", which is true.

Also, do you seriously think he was a hero, or am I not getting the sarcasm?
While I think that he definitely deserved to be acquitted, and while I disagree with the claims that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist or that this case shows structural inequalities or systemic racism, there is one sentiment I definitely agree with: Rittenhouse was a privileged boy who had no business running around Kenosha with an AR-15. He might have been legally entitled to do so, but it was reckless and asking for trouble. It was so clear that nothing good could come from a 17-year old boy with puffy cheeks going into a warzone trying to play a hero.