exactly

well of course you cant be a total high school dropout dumbass, but there has never been more opportunity in the history of the world

and we both know that you dont a yale degree to make good money out there, in fact you dont need one at all

Black: of course it's unpopular when you make an actual proposal. People like unspecified bills. When you poll on the real issue it goes down.

Also Black: If they just made a real bill it would definitely still have 80% support.



Pick a lane. You've made the exact opposite argument to me literally dozens of times, and it's because you're just trying to make excuses for Republicans.

you have to remember that ampoo doesn't have ANY experience of what living a real life is like. he's sitting in his mother's boyfriend's basement all day, scrolling far-right incel forums, and mindlessly regurgitates their braindead 'memes'. work and responsibility are literally unknown concepts to him, so unsurprisingly he's not even remotely able to realise how ridiculous and moronic the "poverty is a choice" narrative, that is so popular amongst right wing billionaire bootlickers, really is...

Wow if only someone had told those kids who died because they couldn't have their insulin that being poor is a choice.

you are so sweet fenderp, but i prefered it when you took your meds

dont project your own misery onto others when adults are talking



i am suprised to hear this victim talk from you, arent you talking about unplugging and working for yourself?

in the states you can go to a trade school or be a truck driver and earn six figures

btw, i never suggested life saving drugs not being available enough is a good thing

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Nov 19 2021 07:04pm

You were arguing that my proposal of putting forward a clean, standalone prescription drug price bill was not possible because you can only use reconciliation once per year. I said that this is not an argument for why the House MUST stick with shitty omnibus bills which are easy to vote down for Republicans. That part of our debate was about legislative tactics.

Then, you opened a different discussion saying that such a standalone bill would be a waste of time because Democrats will get the same thing enacted anyway with their current strategy of the big omnibus bill, which is not true because the BBB bill will be renegotiated in the Senate before Manchin and Sinema give it the thumbs up. Given Sinema's opposition against this very provision and her ties to big pharma, it's well possible that a modified version of BBB ultimately passes, but with the prescription drug price regulations either left out or gutted.

My point is that by using the omnibus bill framework, Democrats are giving both Republicans and Sinema more cover to shoot down this very popular policy which imho would have a better chance of becoming law as a standalone bill.





Jesus fuck dude, that's one of the most low IQ takes I've seen you make in a long long time.

Almost all policies are a tradeoff between competing interests. They have their pros and cons, give group A something while taking away something from group B. That's why policies which sound good in abstract typically see their popularity go down once the specifics become clearer, because that's when people realize that they would belong to group B.

Prescription drug price regulations are a huge and obvious exception in this regard because only big pharma belongs to group B while everyone else would be left off better.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 19 2021 07:06pm

My argument is that if the House wants to make actionable progress, they need to work with the Senate. Passing bills that have no chance of being signed by the President or getting passed by the Senate are a waste of time. Again, I point to the last decade with all the Obamacare removal votes, the nonsensical bills that had no chance of getting passed McConnell and Trump, etc.

It's obviously possible for the House to pass a clean bill related to prescription drug prices but then it would be harder to get other things like universal pre-K, etc. They've done that before on a ton of issues. However, omnibus bills are the most efficient way to get things done due to congressional rules and the nature of politics.

You are so naive its almost funny and not pathetic.

This is not an exception. Republicans have waged a propaganda war on this for many times longer than you've been paying attention. This is not the first time this subject came up.

The second you try to regulate drug prices in earnest ads will run saying how it will kill investment and is big government killing your kids by reducing inventive for research. Because it's happened before.

Fuck dude, learn your place. You don't know shit about American politics and act like I'm the dumb one for just telling you what's already happened.

we already have free universal affordable healthcare thanks to the Affordable Healthcare Act (aka Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act). passed completely by (D)s and signed into law by a (D), a group of lifelong swamp demons who most lefties including thor unironically 100% supported and support to this day no matter what. thor now blames 'republicans' for the free universal affordable healthcare we have. it really is a sickness..

e: never forget the last administration tried to increase transparency into prescription drug pricing (why we have prices for free affordable universal healthcare is a different topic) and the left #resisted him

This post was edited by excellence on Nov 19 2021 07:46pm

Now your argument is contradicting thundercock's. If the BBB bill is such a good opportunity for prescription drug regulations to become law, why is there not a concerted propaganda campaign against it yet? Could it be that other provisions in BBB are just faaaar easier to attack and therefore the focus of the opposition side is on these things?



Anyway, if "big pharma wont invest in life-saving medicine for your children anymore if you dare to cut into their profits" has truly been an effective line of attack in the past, then I apologize (and all hope is lost for your country).