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Nov 19 2021 06:06pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 20 Nov 2021 00:49)
Yep. So that's why they don't.

The infrastructure bill was massively popular across both sides of the aisle on almost every provision. Didn't matter to Republicans.

The idea that Democrats could submit popular bills and "punish Republicans for voting against it" ignores like the last 30 straight years of political history. Democrats do that literally every single time and Republicans never get punished, because the average American is pretty stupid about politics.


These popular bills typically have 30++% of the electorate against them. Also, they usually contain bad or partisan provisions or try to funnel money toward the public sector. With almost all of these bills, Democrats give Republicans sufficient angles for attack, sufficient reason to justify their 'nay'.
A super clean prescription drug price bill would be different.
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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ 20 Nov 2021 01:04)
America? The whole world.

Elite control the sheep through media/internet to have them go in one direction. Most people are too stupid to see it for what it is. the other like me try to convince the mass they got duped while being called conspiracy theorist but being right every single time.


you are not wrong that it's not exclusively an american problem, but in the US it's particularly egregious. none of her peer countries are THAT rotten and corrupt though, none are THAT rigged against their voters and in favour of big money contributors. having only two relevant parties and a shitty, undemocratic election system certainly helped to turn the US into a de facto oligarchy, but is is most certainly the case that corporate lobbying is a huge (and increasing) corrupting factor in many other modern capitalist "democracies".
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Quote (fender @ Nov 19 2021 08:12pm)
you are not wrong that it's not exclusively an american problem, but in the US it's particularly egregious. none of her peer countries are THAT rotten and corrupt though, none are THAT rigged against their voters and in favour of big money contributors. having only two relevant parties and a shitty, undemocratic election system certainly helped to turn the US into a de facto oligarchy, but is is most certainly the case that corporate lobbying is a huge (and increasing) corrupting factor in many other modern capitalist "democracies".


Before Covid? Canada was thriving. It became a shit show within 2 years. No civilization is protected against that. Our main problem as the people is that we give everything to our "leaders" . All the power, the decisions , the cash flow through taxed. What's left for us? We get shit on more and more and forced to live with people we don't want to be around. It's hard to not be racist in 2021 when you see families work their whole lives to stay afloat and a few politicians wanting to win points decide that you can be a Mexican, cross the line and claim 450k per head that are "taken away from their family" which will take 10 years for an average citizen to gather.

The people need to stop fighting against each other and unite as communities and take out the trash (The trash ain't one color or one ethnicity) it's all the people who slow us down toward evolution. All the bum smoking crack and shitting on the street, the rapist, the thieves, the pedophiles, the crooked politicians/cops and so on.

We 100% need to rebuild FRESH .

Btw, all this happened because all the media went one direction at the same time. It's that easy to make people go in the direction you want. In 2021, the MSM/News/Internet = Truth/God. If MSM said so, it is the truth.

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Nov 19 2021 06:22pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 03:52pm)
We were talking about the House. Nothing stops House Democrats from advancing a clean, simple bill on prescription drug prices. If Senate Repulbicans want to filibuster it because Dems can't use reconciliation, they'll have a hard time explaining their resistance to the bill to a public which overwhelmingly supports it. If there is no pork, no woke virtue signalling and no waste in the bill, if it's really clean and the only argument against it is "it will cut into corporate profit margins", that should be an easy political winner for Democrats.

So yes, it ultimately does come down to them not having their 50 votes in the Senate because of Sinema, just like I said.


Sure, but it's a waste of time. They got a shit ton passed in the same amount of time it would have taken them to create a bill for JUST prescription drugs. And no, Senate Republicans would not have a hard time explaining their resistance lol. Have you not been following for the past decade? What world do you live in?

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shows how shitty your political system is (again, by design). it's literally set up to prevent politicians to act on behalf of their constituents: from campaign financing to actual legislation drafting, everything is rigged to give big money interest all the power and ignore the people entirely. your 'choice' is between two slightly differently branded (on some cultural and social issues) sides of the same corporate oligarchy.

and it works like a charm in a country as dumb and ignorant as america, where people are easily fooled to hate their fellow worker more than the scumbags that exploit them.

this still sums up america perfectly:

https://i.imgur.com/4CH4n3S.jpg


I don't necessarily disagree, but what's the solution? Structural reforms take decades to implement.
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Sure, but it's a waste of time. They got a shit ton passed in the same amount of time it would have taken them to create a bill for JUST prescription drugs. And no, Senate Republicans would not have a hard time explaining their resistance lol. Have you not been following for the past decade? What world do you live in?



I don't necessarily disagree, but what's the solution? Structural reforms take decades to implement.


campaign.financing.reform.
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Nov 19 2021 06:32pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 06:06pm)
These popular bills typically have 30++% of the electorate against them. Also, they usually contain bad or partisan provisions or try to funnel money toward the public sector. With almost all of these bills, Democrats give Republicans sufficient angles for attack, sufficient reason to justify their 'nay'.
A super clean prescription drug price bill would be different.


:rofl:

Yes that's definitely why and we don't literally have communications from Republicans saying they will oppose anything democrats do no matter what it is.

Dude don't be so naive. The Republican playbook isn't complicated. When they vote no they literally go out and claim credit. Republicans literally went out and claimed credit for the stimulus checks they voted against

There Will never be a bill that doesn't have something that 30% Will disagree on. Reality is messy and you're going out of your way to make excuses

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in the united states being poor is a choice, no other place on earth offers these opportunities and somehow half the world would move to this evil and racist shithole in a heartbeat

weird
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in the united states being poor is a choice, no other place on earth offers these opportunities and somehow half the world would move to this evil and racist shithole in a heartbeat

weird


Poor person: I work two jobs and still can't afford my insulin.

Johnny: Have you tried not being poor? It's a choice you know.
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Nov 19 2021 06:40pm
Quote (thundercock @ 20 Nov 2021 01:22)
Sure, but it's a waste of time. They got a shit ton passed in the same amount of time it would have taken them to create a bill for JUST prescription drugs. And no, Senate Republicans would not have a hard time explaining their resistance lol. Have you not been following for the past decade? What world do you live in?


Wait a second, they did not get it passed yet. BBB is going to the Senate and as far as I'm informed, it's not a guarantee that the bill will pass there with all its current provisions in place.



Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 20 Nov 2021 01:32)
:rofl:

Yes that's definitely why and we don't literally have communications from Republicans saying they will oppose anything democrats do no matter what it is.

Dude don't be so naive. The Republican playbook isn't complicated. When they vote no they literally go out and claim credit. Republicans literally went out and claimed credit for the stimulus checks they voted against

There Will never be a bill that doesn't have something that 30% Will disagree on. Reality is messy and you're going out of your way to make excuses

Regulating prescription drug prices might be just that: something that 80+% of the country can agree on.

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Nov 19 2021 06:43pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 19 2021 04:29pm)
campaign.financing.reform.


So you want to wait until liberals have a SCOTUS majority or pass a Constitutional amendment? I'm with you in that our government doesn't answer to the people but I don't think your suggestion is a panacea or even feasible. Surely there are intermediate reforms that can happen (such as California's redistricting commission). I think a good first step would be to emulate your parliament's seat distribution and abolish the House Reapportionment Act of 1929.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 04:40pm)

Wait a second, they did not get it passed yet. BBB is going to the Senate and as far as I'm informed, it's not a guarantee that the bill will pass there with all its current provisions in place.


Your stance is confusing. You told me you were JUST talking about the House. Which is it?
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