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What is it with the average conservative and not respecting guns? He needlessly threatened somebody with deadly force and they responded. There is no way you can be trusted with a gun if you can't see that because you don't respect your weapon.

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Sure, why not? Depends who you're taling to though.

I was pointing out how property is fundamentally antithetical to freedom and responding to his point that government does control property rights.



Agreeing more with Republicans doesn't. Constantly going to bat for Republicans even when they are pushing authoritarian measures does. Which he did for years before Trump, and just continued that trend into Trump's presidency.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 7 2022 01:55pm)

depends on how you define freedom, and how you think your freedom should or shouldnt interact with another person's freedom.

the freedom lost in going somewhere thats private property is offset by freedom gained from restricting access to your own private property.

private property itself can be enforced by you with force, or the govt with force. i dont think even staunch libertarians would trade a deed of land for an ever existing sense of paranoia and a gun constantly in hand.

Quote (Santara @ Apr 7 2022 02:13pm)

I believe in this sense, thor's idea of freedom is to be able to go anywhere he wants unless someone is there to stop him.

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I believe in this sense, thor's idea of freedom is to be able to go anywhere he wants unless someone is there to stop him.

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What is allemannsretten?
Allemannsretten (meaning "everyman's right") is a law that allows everyone to roam free on uncultivated land in Norway. By cultivated land it means privately owned land, meadows, pastures, gardens, building plots, and industrial sites. In practical sense this means that you are free to hike, camp and enjoy the fresh air in forests, mountains, and coastal areas, which make up the majority of Norwegian nature.

Are there any limitations to the allemannsretten?
While allemannsretten gives you a lot of freedom, it is important to note the following:

Respect nature - do not leave any rubbish in the nature and do not disturb the wildlife. Leave nature the way you wish to find it.
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You can hike and camp in uncultivated areas without the consent of the inhabitants as long as you do not disturb them and keep at least 150 meters away from the inhabitants' property. If you want to camp in the same place for more than 2 days, you have get permission from the inhabitants. This does not apply when you camp in the mountains and remote areas.
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Campfires in and near forests is prohibited between 15th of April to 15th of September. However, it may be allowed in places where the fire hazard is very unlikely. Please remember that you are legally responsible for ensuring a safe campfire.
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Fishing in saltwater by land and small boats is allowed without a license as long as this is for your own use. Hunting and fishing in freshwater is not part of allemannsretten. Hunting and fishing in freshwater areas, such as rivers and lakes, is only possible with the permission of the landowner and those with a license for hunting and fishing, respectively. Foraging mushrooms, berries, herbs and wildflowers is generally allowed. In Northern Norway, cloudberries can only be picked if eaten on the spot where you picked them.
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By respecting nature, the animals, and the local inhabitants, we can together ensure that everyone has the chance to enjoy the outdoors. Have a pleasant trip!

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 7 2022 01:55pm)

depends on how you define freedom, and how you think your freedom should or shouldnt interact with another person's freedom.

the freedom lost in going somewhere thats private property is offset by freedom gained from restricting access to your own private property.

private property itself can be enforced by you with force, or the govt with force. i dont think even staunch libertarians would trade a deed of land for an ever existing sense of paranoia and a gun constantly in hand.

Quote (Santara @ Apr 7 2022 02:13pm)

I believe in this sense, thor's idea of freedom is to be able to go anywhere he wants unless someone is there to stop him.

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I think you've posted that before. Scandinavian customs are certainly interesting.

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Going where I want and utilizing anything I want. If we both wash up on an island you don't "own" the coconuts just because you claimed them. Yet that's how all property came into existence. Somebody just claimed it, and then we propagated that into the future.

I'm not saying that having a system of property doesn't give better or worse material outcomes, I'm just saying that we need to acknowledge that, fundamentally, property is a restriction on freedom.

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Does this not apply to every situation in which property is recognized then? As in a king who owns everything has more freedom which offsets the lack of property of everybody else.



Going where I want and utilizing anything I want. If we both wash up on an island you don't "own" the coconuts just because you claimed them. Yet that's how all property came into existence. Somebody just claimed it, and then we propagated that into the future.

I'm not saying that having a system of property doesn't give better or worse material outcomes, I'm just saying that we need to acknowledge that, fundamentally, property is a restriction on freedom.