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Nov 7 2023 05:58am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 7 2023 01:48pm)
I think if Israel can and could, they will move the Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip and somehow make them settle in the Sinai Peninsula.
But that is just what I think. A two state solution is really not viable from what I see.

But that is just my opinion.


I believe (at least want to believe) that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis just want to be left alone. Therefore myself has no objection to a palestinian state as long as they don’t export terror.. I mean the Jordanians and Egyptians doesn’t like us much but at least they don’t export terror..
and another important issue is that their state is not on the expense of my state.
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Nov 7 2023 05:59am
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I think if they report this properly, and consistently, in the media, it will do Israel alot of good public relations (what they need right now in my opinion).


Only in the Western Hemisphere and maybe India. But do not forget that EU's Muslim population have increased by leaps and bounds for the past 10 years, so there will be a counter force against any MSM reporting.
People are only fixated on the JDAM on refugee camps at the moment. Furthermore the trust on MSM is extremely low worldwide especially Western MSM.

And even some Western MSM are going against the Israel / USA narrative.

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Nov 7 2023 06:00am
Quote (ferdia @ 7 Nov 2023 13:55)
I think if they report this properly, and consistently, in the media, it will do Israel alot of good public relations (what they need right now in my opinion).


I am telling you since the beginning of this debate Israelis are not going to target civilians.

We are not educated that way and I as someone who served at the IDF know how things work.

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Nov 7 2023 06:01am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 7 Nov 2023 13:59)
Only in the Western Hemisphere and maybe India. But do not forget that EU's Muslim population have increased by leaps and bounds for the past 10 years, so there will be a counter force against any MSM reporting.
People are only fixated on the JDAM on refugee camps at the moment. Furthermore the trust on MSM is extremely low worldwide especially Western MSM.

And even some Western MSM are going against the Israel / USA narrative.


we are right here at jsp and thats enough for me giving you my 10 cents about the conflict from Israel

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Nov 7 2023 06:02am
Quote (WhiteSouned @ 7 Nov 2023 13:58)
I believe (at least want to believe) that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis just want to be left alone. Therefore myself has no objection to a palestinian state as long as they don’t export terror.. I mean the Jordanians and Egyptians doesn’t like us much but at least they don’t export terror..
and another important issue is that their state is not on the expense of my state.


🎯 exactly we dont care if they have a state…
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Nov 7 2023 06:03am
Quote (WhiteSouned @ 7 Nov 2023 19:58)
I believe (at least want to believe) that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis just want to be left alone. Therefore myself has no objection to a palestinian state as long as they don’t export terror.. I mean the Jordanians and Egyptians doesn’t like us much but at least they don’t export terror..
and another important issue is that their state is not on the expense of my state.


If you look clearly at the current map of Israel, how can a two state solution be viable.
I am going to be candid about this, but this is just me.
It is a do if you damn and damn if you don't situation.

How are you going to divide up the "land" for a two state solution ?
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Nov 7 2023 06:05am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 7 Nov 2023 14:03)
If you look clearly at the current map of Israel, how can a two state solution be viable.
I am going to be candid about this, but this is just me.
It is a do if you damn and damn if you don't situation.

How are you going to divide up the "land" for a two state solution ?


The borders are irrelevant what relevant is their actions
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Nov 7 2023 06:06am
Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 7 2023 12:00pm)
I am telling you since the beginning of this debate Israelis are not going to target civilians.

We are not educated that way and I as someone who served at the IDF know how things work.


ye but if the world sees x10 times Palestinian (not Hamas) dead vs x1 times Israeli, and 20,000 tonnes of bombs dropped across a 5km patch of land with 1m civilians, the world is going to condemn Israel. again, which is why more attention to israel supporting civilians, is very good public relations right now.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 7 2023 12:03pm)
If you look clearly at the current map of Israel, how can a two state solution be viable.
I am going to be candid about this, but this is just me.
It is a do if you damn and damn if you don't situation.

How are you going to divide up the "land" for a two state solution ?


that was my point the other day re: landlocked. the only two state solution is where a Palestinian state is a single country, not separated like gaza and the west bank, and having a border with more then just israel, and ideally, having a port.

That is all not credible, ergo, there is no solution or happy ending here.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 7 2023 06:08am
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Nov 7 2023 06:07am
Quote (ferdia @ 7 Nov 2023 14:06)
ye but if the world sees x10 times Palestinian (not Hamas) dead vs x1 times Israeli, and 20,000 tonnes of bombs dropped across a 5km patch of land with 1m civilians, the world is going to condemn Israel. again, which is why more attention to israel supporting civilians, is very good public relations right now.


I agree with you, the media around the world saw this video but they are not publishing it

They simply have different agenda
Bbc news for example or cnn…
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Nov 7 2023 06:13am
Quote (Many_Names @ 7 Nov 2023 20:05)
The borders are irrelevant what relevant is their actions


I don't think you get it at least from my view. But I will put it this way.
If it is a two state solution. Do you consider them as stated below.

1. Sovereign Nation State with Self Determination
2. Have a defense / Military force with Navy , Air force and Army.
3. Regional political clout.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Nov 7 2023 06:14am
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